North Korea

[Josh Blue]

The second one, whilst more morally questionable, was not dropped wantonly imo.

When the Hiroshima bomb was dropped the US expected Japan to surrender immediately. They did not and in the hours and days that followed were procrastinating at best and playing brinkmanship at worst. It is possible that they thought that US would not drop another bomb or did not have one. They were also overly fixated on the fate of the Emperor who they still saw as a god. Truman made a decision to have another show of strength, because he concluded that the first bomb had not been sufficient to properly concentrate Japanese minds. In fairness to him, thousands of lives were being lost on both sides every day as the war continued and an invasion of the mainland, which was feasible at that point, would have been an absolute bloodbath.

Whatever you say about its morality per se it completely changed the dynamic of the Japanese and ended the war almost immediately. I must confess that if I'd been the Commander-in-Chief at the time, the Nagasaki bomb, much more so than the one over Hiroshima, would have given me nightmares in the weeks, months and years that followed. He certainly could have waited longer than 76 hours after the first bomb before dropping the second, but otherwise , in those circumstances, I can't in all honesty say, with 100% certainly that I would have done any different.

I think there is very good reason to cast doubt upon your summary of the situation:

I had been conscious of depression and so I voiced to (Sec. Of War Stimson) my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.'

General Dwight D. Eisenhower

Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of 'face'. It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing.

General Dwight D. Eisenhower

It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was taught not to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children.

Admiral William D. Leahy
Former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

I am absolutely convinced that had we said they could keep the emperor, together with the threat of an atomic bomb, they would have accepted, and we would never have had to drop the bomb.

John McCloy
Assistant Secretary of War

P.M. [Churchill} & I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan (it is a success). Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace.

President Harry S. Truman
Diary Entry, July 18, 1945

Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey's 1946 Study

Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.

J. Samuel Walker
Chief Historian, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission

-- Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:36 am --

People with the surname Blair are always men of integrity.

Good point that.

Check mate.

 

[Blootoof]

 

[TCIB]

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[Bigga]

Far from it. What Kim Jong Un is trying to do with this show of strength is two things, first one being to serve as a deterrent, so that the US or South Korea will think twice before interfering in the country's affairs. The second thing he is trying to do is bring the US to the negotiating table for lifting century old sanctions so that he has access to more resources to improve the well being of the people. This is an intelligent and planned move. They wont attack anyone. The rhetoric and nuclear weapons is just to serve as a deterrent. Once he feels that it has achieved its purpose, he will back down and concentrate on improving the economy. The current ruler is much more modern than his father. Do not for one moment think that these are the ramblings of a mad ruler.

Is it true you're in Uni??

Cos I don't get how the fook you get to this conclusion for this mentality!!

 

[Ragnarok]

Far from it. What Kim Jong Un is trying to do with this show of strength is two things, first one being to serve as a deterrent, so that the US or South Korea will think twice before interfering in the country's affairs. The second thing he is trying to do is bring the US to the negotiating table for lifting century old sanctions so that he has access to more resources to improve the well being of the people. This is an intelligent and planned move. They wont attack anyone. The rhetoric and nuclear weapons is just to serve as a deterrent. Once he feels that it has achieved its purpose, he will back down and concentrate on improving the economy. The current ruler is much more modern than his father. Do not for one moment think that these are the ramblings of a mad ruler.

Is it true you're in Uni??

Cos I don't get how the fook you get to this conclusion for this mentality!!

Is that an insult? ;) . I am just saying my thoughts based on what people who do research on inter korean relations have said

 

[paphos-mcfc]

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Oooooooooooooo the okey kokey

 

[Bigga]

Far from it. What Kim Jong Un is trying to do with this show of strength is two things, first one being to serve as a deterrent, so that the US or South Korea will think twice before interfering in the country's affairs. The second thing he is trying to do is bring the US to the negotiating table for lifting century old sanctions so that he has access to more resources to improve the well being of the people. This is an intelligent and planned move. They wont attack anyone. The rhetoric and nuclear weapons is just to serve as a deterrent. Once he feels that it has achieved its purpose, he will back down and concentrate on improving the economy. The current ruler is much more modern than his father. Do not for one moment think that these are the ramblings of a mad ruler.

Is it true you're in Uni??

Cos I don't get how the fook you get to this conclusion for this mentality!!

Is that an insult? ;) . I am just saying my thoughts based on what people who do research on inter korean relations have said

Stamping your feet and shouting will only get you attention in the beginning cos after that you get ignored: Parenting 101(as you Americans say!)

A more 'transparent, open and democratic regime is what will bring economic talks to the table.

It's funny cos idiots like Cameron finding the Man Child's actions 'concerning' only allows the said Man Child to believe his ruse is working and so he ups the ante.

It's like when you, as a child pretends to be invisible and your parent plays along. As a child you might believe you're really invisible, so you carry on 'illusion' whilst the parent should have stopped playing long ago, but doesn't, and finally just ignores you or get irritated.

Essentially, what we have here are dance partners that have found themselves in an accidental waltz/ jive boogie/ whatever that suits their need to the watching audience. Korea, on the one hand, know that its citizens have no real clue as to what is happening in the big bad world, so will take it as gospel what their media/ government tells them whilst the continue to bang on their empty vessels.

On the other hand, we have the likes of Cameron/ Obama using this situation to their own agenda, 'reacting to the threat' and conveniently turning the attention of the people away from troublesome plights on their own doorsteps; austerity and economic downturn.

Tried and trusted campaigns that will 'unite the nation' under the threat of war.

 

[Blootoof]

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Has anyone ever tried to get an onion out of one of those string onion bags, even after you've ripped bigger fuckin holes in it?

 

[Barcon]

These people make me laugh. Go eat another dog shit sandwich ya jumped up little pukes, before you get a backhander.

 

[Blootoof]

These people make me laugh. Go eat another dog shit sandwich ya jumped up little pukes, before you get a backhander.

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