North Korean offical executed by flamethrower.....

[Skashion]

Skashion.

I'd just like to say you're so boring it's unbelievable and you ruin every thread you post in.

That's all.

Coming from you, I take it as a compliment.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Interesting, North Korea uses flame throwers on its corrupt officials while Obama lets Putin push him around and the Queen is going for carriage rides with Mcguinness. Any complaint about North Korea just sounds like jealousy to me.

Now that's an interesting couple of statements. Would you care to expand upon them?

I presume you mean push around in the same way that Khrushchev allowed himself to be pushed around by Kennedy?

And that the Queen is cosying up to the ex-terrorist-cum-statesman McGuinness in the same way that Thatcher cosied up to ex-terrorist-cum-statesman Begin?

And the way the whole world it seems cosied up to Mandela

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Interesting, North Korea uses flame throwers on its corrupt officials while Obama lets Putin push him around and the Queen is going for carriage rides with Mcguinness. Any complaint about North Korea just sounds like jealousy to me.

Now that's an interesting couple of statements. Would you care to expand upon them?

I presume you mean push around in the same way that Khrushchev allowed himself to be pushed around by Kennedy?

And that the Queen is cosying up to the ex-terrorist-cum-statesman McGuinness in the same way that Thatcher cosied up to ex-terrorist-cum-statesman Begin?

And the way the whole world it seems cosied up to Mandela

Ah, the economic opportunities of a 'favourable investment climate' in South Africa, where striking miners can be shot with seeming impunity.

South African police ordered enough mortuary vans to carry 32 bodies hours before shooting dead 34 striking miners, inquiry hears

• Police chief said he was going to 'close down the miners', commission told
• 'He asked the health department for four mortuary vans to be sent to scene'
• 'Separate order also made for 4,000 rounds of ammunition for assault rifles'
• Police claim self-defence over the shootings at the Marikana platinum mine

The Marikana platinum mine is owned by Lonmin.

Lonmin plc, formerly the mining division of Lonrho plc, is a producer of platinum group metals operating in the Bushveld Complex of South Africa. It is listed on the London Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the FTSE 250 Index. Its registered office is in London, and its operational headquarters are in Johannesburg, South Africa.[2]

At the Marikana platinum mines, operated by Lonmin at Marikana near Rustenburg, 3,000 workers walked off the job on the 10th of August 2012 after Lonmin failed to meet with workers.[24][25] The event garnered international attention following a series of violent incidents which began when leaders from the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) allegedly opened fire on striking NUM members on the 11th of August.[25][26]

The Marikana Massacre,[27] as referred to in the media, occurred when police broke up an occupation by striking Lonmin workers of a 'koppie' (hiltop) near Nkaneng shack settlement in Marikana on Thursday 16 August 2012. As a result of the police shootings, 34 miners died and an additional 78 miners were injured causing anger and outcry against the police and South African government. Further controversy emerged after it was discovered that most of the victims were shot in the back[28] and many victims were shot far from police lines.[29] The violence on 16 August 2012 was the single most lethal use of force by South African security forces against civilians since the end of the apartheid era.[30]

During the Marikana Commission, it also emerged that Lonmin management solicited Lonmin shareholder and ANC heavyweight, Cyril Ramaphosa, to coordinate "concomitant action" against "criminal" protesters and is seem by many as therefore being responsible for the massacre.[31][32] Submissions by the South African Police Service accused Lonmin of being responsible for the violence because of their failure to negotiate with striking miners.[33]

The dots are all available to be seen by anyone willing to look.

All that matters to the corporations is the opportunity to exploit land and people in pursuit of profit. The platinum miners are on strike again, have been since 23 January.

Investec keeps Lonmin rating at sell as pay talks stall

by Paul Burkhardt, April 09 2014, 08:10

LONMIN had its rating kept at sell by Investec Securities as talks between the three largest platinum companies and a union whose members have been on strike for more than 11 weeks in South Africa are at a standstill.

"Quantifying the strike’s impact is challenging, with no end in sight," Marc Elliott, an analyst at Investec’s securities unit in London, wrote in a client note on Tuesday. "We hope that the company will be able to resume output reasonably quickly."

More than 70,000 members of the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (Amcu) embarked on the stoppage on January 23 at most South African mines owned by Lonmin, Anglo American Platinum and Impala Platinum, demanding higher pay. Negotiations between the sides facilitated by the state’s mediator broke down last month.

The producers have lost R12.1bn in revenue, while employees have forfeited R5.4bn of pay, the companies said on a joint website.

Amcu president Joseph Mathunjwa snubbed Lonmin CEO Ben Magara’s offer on Friday to raise pay as much as 9%. Mr Magara called the Amcu’s demand for a basic wage of R12,500 in four years "unaffordable" in front of hundreds of union members who gathered to deliver a memorandum to the world’s third-biggest platinum producer. Entry-level underground miners earn R5,713 in basic monthly pay now. South Africa’s inflation rate was 5.9% in February.

"There have been no further developments since Amcu’s march to Lonmin," Memory Johnstone, a spokeswoman for the producers at Russell & Associates, said in an e-mail response to questions. "The producers remain open to negotiate within the settlement zone."

Investec estimated the strike was costing Lonmin as much as $60m a month, Mr Elliott said in the note.

It sees "scope for outperformance if platinum group metals prices rise in response to disruptions", he wrote. "The various mine faces may be suffering from being left idle for a prolonged period thereby requiring extra care once operations are resumed."

Investec reduced its price estimate to 258p. Lonmin on Tuesday dropped for a second day, slipping 1.6% to 281.80p, the lowest intraday level since March 31, as of 11.16am in London.

The Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) said mine employees who were members of its National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) affiliate, an Amcu rival that has not called a strike, needed to be protected at their homes and in the workplace. "We are calling on both the government and the shareholders to intervene.

"We call on both the management and the police to make sure that our members are safe."

Cosatu and the NUM plan to march on Wednesday at Impala’s operation in Rustenburg.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/mi...eeps-lonmin-rating-at-sell-as-pay-talks-stall

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Strawman still abounds.

A poster made the case that the North Korean administration are slightly mad (as shown by death by mortar round and execution via flamethrower) and as such, a war against them would most probably be messy, and who would want that - that is a fairly reasonable comment in my opinion.

You have then taken it upon yourself to try and turn that into something it is not to suit your personal anti-West agenda. In doing so, you have managed to construct a fairly humongous strawman. No one was, up until your post, arguing for US intervention in Vietnam. Nor for the use of the atomic bomb in Japan. Nor for the carpet bombing of Dresden. You have taken a position that no one was arguing against. I won't even go into the IRA 'point' you make. Those are other threads entirely.

If we go back to the first post by bammy, who can actually argue against it?

I will. North Korea pose absolutely no threat whatsoever to anyone. Yes they are mad, but so far so predicatbly mad that no matter who is in power they never start a war, just threaten to in order to get some cash to piss up the wall until it runs out and the same saga starts again.

What benefit do they have from starting anything? It would play out like this.

"we are getting reports that North Korea have started an offensive against the south and surrounding areas"

15 minutes later

"we are hearing reports that 90% of all North Korean military has been destroyed and they now are fucked"

Yes they have a lot of tanks and other stuff, unfortunately they are all about 60 years old and last time they had a logistics check they only have enough fuel to top up 7 of them"

Dan Carlin sums up the threat from there and why it is a none starter much better than I can.

<a class="postlink" href="http://podbay.fm/show/155974141/e/1365224623?autostart=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://podbay.fm/show/155974141/e/13652 ... utostart=1</a>

So let me get this right, you would like to come into conflict with them?

I would not like conflict with anyone however North Korea would be very low down on my list of countries who if we went to war with I would lose sleep over.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Only on Bluemoon could you have 9 pages about a death of a North Korean official ending up in different debates about Maggie, The Church, Mandela. Vietnam, 2nd World War, Putin, Lee Rigby, 7/7 bombers, IRA, Genghis Khan, The Queen, Obama and Vlad the impaler !

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Only on Bluemoon could you have 9 pages about a death of a North Korean official ending up in different debates about Maggie, The Church, Mandela. Vietnam, 2nd World War, Putin, Lee Rigby, 7/7 bombers, IRA, Genghis Khan, The Queen, Obama and Vlad the impaler !

That's only the half of them!

Should I mention the Hammer of the Scots? ;o)

 

[Phil Meup]

Only on Bluemoon could you have 9 pages about a death of a North Korean official ending up in different debates about Maggie, The Church, Mandela. Vietnam, 2nd World War, Putin, Lee Rigby, 7/7 bombers, IRA, Genghis Khan, The Queen, Obama and Vlad the impaler !

Surely that's one of the beauties of BM?

 

[Blue Hefner]

Seoul is very close to the border with North Korea so the South certainly don't want to start a war with them anytime soon

 

[SWP's back]

I will. North Korea pose absolutely no threat whatsoever to anyone. Yes they are mad, but so far so predicatbly mad that no matter who is in power they never start a war, just threaten to in order to get some cash to piss up the wall until it runs out and the same saga starts again.

What benefit do they have from starting anything? It would play out like this.

"we are getting reports that North Korea have started an offensive against the south and surrounding areas"

15 minutes later

"we are hearing reports that 90% of all North Korean military has been destroyed and they now are fucked"

Yes they have a lot of tanks and other stuff, unfortunately they are all about 60 years old and last time they had a logistics check they only have enough fuel to top up 7 of them"

Dan Carlin sums up the threat from there and why it is a none starter much better than I can.

<a class="postlink" href="http://podbay.fm/show/155974141/e/1365224623?autostart=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://podbay.fm/show/155974141/e/13652 ... utostart=1</a>

So let me get this right, you would like to come into conflict with them?

I would not like conflict with anyone however North Korea would be very low down on my list of countries who if we went to war with I would lose sleep over.

If prefer someone without a nuclear capablility to be honest.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

So let me get this right, you would like to come into conflict with them?

I would not like conflict with anyone however North Korea would be very low down on my list of countries who if we went to war with I would lose sleep over.

If prefer someone without a nuclear capablility to be honest.

They can only fire a missile 5 feet its hardly a worry