It does, you’re right.
In my opinion the club have 2 options with safe standing on NSL2.
The club either make NSL2 completely safe standing, which I can’t see happening with the proposed GA+ seats, ambulant seating, and fans of different ages wanting to sit on NSL2, which the club will definitely take into consideration, or the club will make specific blocks or areas of NSL2 safe standing, along with seated areas.
The Kop as an example is a single tiered stand with a gradual increase in height from the front to the back, whereas NSL2 will be higher and steeper, mirroring SSL3 to an extent. So far the club have given no indication they will put safe standing on SSL3 in the home end, even though they’ve already done that for a section of the away end on SSL3.(I stand corrected on that)
Hopefully Alex will get an answer to the safe standing question on NSL2 from the club at the meeting?
I'm starting to feel pessimistic about this stand now from a fan/atmosphere perspective. I think it will look great and be an outstanding facility but I've got the feeling the money people have absolutely no intention of making this a City end/blue wall. I do believe the original intention when designing an expanded 2nd tier was for this to happen but once these money people got their mitts on it, it became something else entirely.
Instead, they might want to fill it with more casual fans so they can hang around the new City Square before and after the game, spending their money in the shop, bars and eateries. There's just a total lack of noise from the club about making it anything else with the fan groups almost having to desperately try and twist an arm when it should be the club reaching out to the fans.
It would be a shame because I believe the visual of a blue wall so to speak would bring in new fans over time in itself since young fans would see it and want to be part of it.
City have never mentioned anything about a blue wall. That’s wishful thinking from posters on here.I'm starting to feel pessimistic about this stand now from a fan/atmosphere perspective. I think it will look great and be an outstanding facility but I've got the feeling the money people have absolutely no intention of making this a City end/blue wall. I do believe the original intention when designing an expanded 2nd tier was for this to happen but once these money people got their mitts on it, it became something else entirely.
Instead, they might want to fill it with more casual fans so they can hang around the new City Square before and after the game, spending their money in the shop, bars and eateries. There's just a total lack of noise from the club about making it anything else with the fan groups almost having to desperately try and twist an arm when it should be the club reaching out to the fans.
It would be a shame because I believe the visual of a blue wall so to speak would bring in new fans over time in itself since young fans would see it and want to be part of it.
What are you basing that on though?
Have no idea to the contrary and wouldn't argue otherwise, but just don't know what there is at this point almost a year and a half away, to assume that on. For the few that seem to.
The Kop has plenty of ambulant seats in it. As does Celtic Park's standing section. The only difference between those seats/pods and regular ones is their location, relative to the nearser acces route, nothing else. There really is no reason why that should affect the NSL2's ability to be safe standing.
No idea if those two have a + section with a more dedicated bar and better location in the stand or padding etc, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they did. Can't be fucked looking though.
It would seem (to me at least) better to start with a limited amount of safe standing at the back of NSL2 and, as demand for standing becomes clearer, it could then be increased appropriately. Either that or make level 1 safe standing and level 2 seated.As with the majority of City fans I hope the club do make NSL2 safe standing or partly safe standing, ie, at the back, like Liverpool initially did with the Kop, and have now expanded safe standing further throughout the KOP. United are also making more of the Stretford End safe standing, I think?
I'm 59 and couldn't think of anything I'd want less than safe standing on the moon .Hopefully you're right.
It's just the clubs behaviour towards fans, the clubs behaviour towards money, the clubs behaviour towards tickets. The current intention, seemingly, for no safe standing in the upper tier - could be wrong on that?
Yeah I haven't really argued other reasons tbf. Just that the ambulant provision shouldn't be one of the reasons to stop it. The GA+ in my own opinion shouldn't either, but that one I appreciate isn't as clear cut. The rest, there may be other reasons behind it all that neither of us has thought of. Don't think we will know the reasons for a fair while, if ever. But at some point they'll need to commit one way or the other.I wasn't being specific about Ambulant seating. We've had that discussion previously. It's one of many factors including the other reasons I put forward, and probably more, which may come to mind, why I think City won't put safe standing into NSL2.
I see NSL2 as a home end seating tier, all be it a vocal one, with fans standing throughout the match. It's going to be very hard for the club and the City stewards to police 8000 City fans to stay seated across NSL2, in what they will consider to be our home end.
As with the majority of City fans I hope the club do make NSL2 safe standing or partly safe standing, ie, at the back, like Liverpool initially did with the Kop, and have now expanded safe standing further throughout the KOP. United are also making more of the Stretford End safe standing, I think?