North Stand Construction Discussion

[the blue panther]

We're doing this just to boil extra piss - the Sheikh doesn't give a fuck; no matter what the cost, he wants another 8,000 empty seats in there, pronto!
The rate everything's going, we'll have the best ground and the scum'll have the best submarine.

 

[Sibierskii]

Reckon it'll look like all those abandonned half built hotels in Greece after the court case?

 

[Coatigan]

Reckon it'll look like all those abandonned half built hotels in Greece after the court case?

Nobody will notice. We already have empty seats.

 

[cpoverview]

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That compound wasn't there last week. I checked back.

I will take a look in there next time

 

[Coatigan]

At around 7.40 and 8.50 you see guys really trying to get underneath the steel beams of the clamp between the platform to reach the top of the pier. From both sides. One looks like he has a chain he is trying to move. Shows how really tight it is. Edit. They are definitely trying to loop a chain around it and thread it through.

 

[cpoverview]

At around 7.40 and 8.50 you see guys really trying to get underneath the steel beams of the clamp between the platform to reach the top of the pier. From both sides. One looks like he has a chain he is trying to move. Shows how really tight it is. Edit. They are definitely trying to loop a chain around it and thread it through.

Around 7.30 you can just catch some sparks from a oxy acetylene torch

 

[jimharri]

Reckon it'll look like all those abandonned half built hotels in Greece after the court case?

No chance. We'll have the best stadium in the Vanarama League. There'll be no tumbleweed blowing across east Manchest-uh.

 

[Coatigan]

Around 7.30 you can just catch some sparks from a oxy acetylene torch

In the same area? Not spotted it but watching on my phone rather than pc screen. From 7.40 on, you can clearly see them trying to rod a chain under the 'head' around the base of the old anchor junction. And if you look above it, the top of it is already hooked to the temporary lifting beam above. The crane line is exactly over it. Then it unfortunately pans out, but you see it again a minute later when you come back to it, the guy on the other side is loooping it back.

I recon they are getting it all tied up for chop and remove. At least of the top piece. Still can't see what if anything is propping the rest of the pier though, but should become clear once any one part is moved out the way.

I know it is hard to see on a wee screen particularly in bad weather, but if you do happen to spot focused activity like that in key areas, might not hurt to linger a bit on it, could make it more interesting. Particularly if younare fortunate enough to catch them moving the pier. Which I appreciate will be a longer operation than one flyaround can catch.

Great stuff though, really really good to have such regular updates to see so often, really appreciated.

 

[Norman kneejerk]

Quite a short update today, was very windy!

Thanks for the update.
I found the visual comparison on progress on each of the roof fixings very useful to see the changes made so please try this again next time.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Quite a short update today, was very windy!

Thanks for posting, it’s noticeable that the height of the new stand looks to be higher than what the South Stand is. It’s going to be impressive when completed.

 

[Coatigan]

Thanks for posting, it’s noticeable that the height of the new stand looks to be higher than what the South Stand is. It’s going to be impressive when completed.

It is actually not, funnily enough. The roof will be at almost the same height, and the stand itself, i.e the seating tier, is lower/less steep. But not split into two (three overall). The top of the vip bit is about the same height as the back row of the south stand. The only thing taller will be the top of the new cable supports, when they are in stalled. Hellocity can sort you out with a comparison.

 

[richards30]

We are so lucky aren’t we? It’s going to look the absolute bollocks when it’s done

 

[WRicko]

A bit random.

The stadium will be extended stand by stand. The original design means doing the sides will be extremely difficult but even if that did happen, it’s probably 10 years off at least.

I also think people will change their tune when they experience the new development in person. What it brings to the table will by far outweigh any negatives in terms of how some might think it looks.

I don’t think we can be certain that the side stands will be done plus. How would that work once the hotel is completed ? And even if the sides where expanded surely the hotel would stay meaning that the design issue would remain

 

[wolfie1988]

I've got over the OCD issue I had the other week and I actually think the stands looking different is a good thing. Look at Everton's new stadium and Spurs. All designed with the stands looking slightly different.

The only thing that I think will look a bit odd is the East and West having the curved roof. Hope we can square those stands up one day and maybe have the whole ground with a roof sloping a bit towards the pitch for acoustics.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

I was under the impression that once the North Stand is complete that although the cable net is still in place under tension that at both North and South ends it will no longer be supporting the weight of any roof structures. They will each have their own weight bearing beam arm structures.
I would speculate if that's true that if the West and East stands were made larger in line with size increases of North and South then the designers would have options to raise the height of whole cable net, although I suspect that would cause problems at both ends with insufficient height of supports as im not sure the newer roof support structure is sufficiently strong enough to add the cable net tension. (maybe not).

I thinks it's far likelier that each stand would have its own roof support structures. In any event there are design challenges no matter how its approached.

Personally I don't see any further size increases in my lifetime, that's hopefully at least the next 25 years.

 

[Blueknows]

What's going to be built where the gas tower is now? more car parking?

I believe so

 

[HelloCity]

I don’t think we can be certain that the side stands will be done plus. How would that work once the hotel is completed ? And even if the sides where expanded surely the hotel would stay meaning that the design issue would remain

Hotel placement wouldnt even be a slight issue.

You think they’d design it without thinking of future expansion ramifications?

 

[jimharri]

Any chance that the corners of the new stand, connecting to the East and Colin Bell stands, will look better than the corners at the other end of the stadium? I've always thought they didn't match up with the curves of the existing roofs.

To me, they look like a botched job. Which they're obviously not.


At least they don't leak.


I hope!

 

[KS55]

I was under the impression that once the North Stand is complete that although the cable net is still in place under tension that at both North and South ends it will no longer be supporting the weight of any roof structures. They will each have their own weight bearing beam arm structures.
I would speculate if that's true that if the West and East stands were made larger in line with size increases of North and South then the designers would have options to raise the height of whole cable net, although I suspect that would cause problems at both ends with insufficient height of supports as im not sure the newer roof support structure is sufficiently strong enough to add the cable net tension. (maybe not).

I thinks it's far likelier that each stand would have its own roof support structures. In any event there are design challenges no matter how its approached.

Personally I don't see any further size increases in my lifetime, that's hopefully at least the next 25 years.

The new capacity will be a tad over 60k. I can’t see any likely need to extend E&W stands, so I agree. Above 60k, the return on investment must be doubtful if any extension were complex. I remember Khaldoon saying some years ago that any enlargement had to justify the cost.

 

[jrb]

The new capacity will be a tad over 60k. I can’t see any likely need to extend E&W stands, so I agree. Above 60k, the return on investment must be doubtful if any extension were complex. I remember Khaldoon saying some years ago that any enlargement had to justify the cost.

Regardless of the extra 8000 seats, with the addition of the Hotel, the 3000 capacity fanzone, the museum, retail, offices the skywalk, restaurants, events, conferences, etc, the North stand redevelopment will eventually pay for itself. Apart from adding additional seats, I don’t really see any other way to make additional money from an expanded CBS and East stand.