North Stand Construction Discussion

[WRicko]

Hotel placement wouldnt even be a slight issue.

You think they’d design it without thinking of future expansion ramifications?

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If the side stands were expander then depending on how far back the stand on the same side as the hotel you would either get very reduced light or knock into the hotel. In any event. People will still feel the hotel etc is just bolted onto the stadium which was the main point which you have not addressed

 

[Coatigan]

Any chance that the corners of the new stand, connecting to the East and Colin Bell stands, will look better than the corners at the other end of the stadium? I've always thought they didn't match up with the curves of the existing roofs.

To me, they look like a botched job. Which they're obviously not.


At least they don't leak.


I hope!

A botch job is exactly what they are. They were meant to be 'temporary'.

The new one is better, in the sense it is more controlled. But it will still be a bit clumsy, in the way the east and west low poibts smash into the sides of the new one. Imo.

 

[nmc]

Regardless of the extra 8000 seats, with the addition of the Hotel, the 3000 capacity fanzone, the museum, retail, offices the skywalk, restaurants, events, conferences, etc, the North stand redevelopment will eventually pay for itself. Apart from adding additional seats, I don’t really see any other way to make additional money from an expanded CBS and East stand.

Could see a second hotel and maybe a conference centre being incorporated into any East stand redevelopment.

 

[Coatigan]

I was under the impression that once the North Stand is complete that although the cable net is still in place under tension that at both North and South ends it will no longer be supporting the weight of any roof structures. They will each have their own weight bearing beam arm structures.
I would speculate if that's true that if the West and East stands were made larger in line with size increases of North and South then the designers would have options to raise the height of whole cable net, although I suspect that would cause problems at both ends with insufficient height of supports as im not sure the newer roof support structure is sufficiently strong enough to add the cable net tension. (maybe not).

I thinks it's far likelier that each stand would have its own roof support structures. In any event there are design challenges no matter how its approached.

Personally I don't see any further size increases in my lifetime, that's hopefully at least the next 25 years.

Yes the north and south have their own roofs and roof supports. The cable net is keeping tension of the east and west. But js also sipporting the full weight of east and west too. Be tough to move or remove one side without touching the other at the same time.

 

[Coatigan]

Could see a second hotel and maybe a conference centre being incorporated into any East stand redevelopment.

There is a second stand-alone hotel loosely planned as part of the wider grounds development. Roughly just south of where the co-op site compound being currently dismantled is. When that might come forward, who knows.

 

[Blue Maverick]

2 more yellow platforms have been added.

Posted this picture from Linkedin on Sunday.

2 yellow platforms.

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A new picture on Linkedin posted 8 hours ago. Probably from earlier in the week? The weather looks ok.

4 yellow platforms have now been added.

The lower hole in the roof has got bigger.

A larger hole has appeared to the right of the roof.

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Are they going to be able to cover that before winter sets in and it’s pissing it down?

 

[HelloCity]

If the side stands were expander then depending on how far back the stand on the same side as the hotel you would either get very reduced light or knock into the hotel. In any event. People will still feel the hotel etc is just bolted onto the stadium which was the main point which you have not addressed

You came across as though the stand would be impeded by the hotel. I showed that it really wouldn’t.

I don’t think light would be an issue either, it’s already built next to a stand at the same height and the bit facing the side is already staring right at a grey stand with not much of a view.

Do you think City would build this without considering future developments? Even the South Stand corners are built with the side expansions in mind. Clearly, any future expansion would be done to take into account the current structure.

 

[Centurions]

Hotel placement wouldnt even be a slight issue.

You think they’d design it without thinking of future expansion ramifications?

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You can clearly see where (if they go ahead with it) the new E & W stands roofs will connect. Just follow the ends of the S stand roof before it drops for the temporary connection to the existing E & W roofs and imagine them coming across, above the existing roofs and joining up to the ends of the new N stand.

The exterior of the E & W stands will come out enveloping the spirals, the sloping poles that hold the cable net in tension will no longer be needed as that will go as well. The N stand roof replacement looks complicated but I reckon it'll look like childs play compared to the E & W job as I can't see them not being done in unison.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

1894 and City Matters have commissioned a questionnaire

https://bit.ly/1894NorthStand

 

[Coatigan]

I am still struggling with the middle section base level bracing. Nobody else bothered by this?

 

[jrb]

Slightly off topic, but somewhere for people to park, store their bikes, etc, on a match day from later this year. With 8000 more City fans attending the matches in the future, it’s only going to get busier on match days

Picture taken last Wednesday.

Etihad, top left, in the distance.

Ancoats Mobility Hub, left, middle, living wall.

Colony - LinkedIn.



Set to complete by the end of this year, the next-generation multi-storey car park will hold space for 406 cars, 150 bicycles, 30 car shares, a parcel delivery hub, café, store, and nearly 15,000 sq ft of public realm.

Ancoats Mobility Hub | Buttress

Embedding sustainable transport options into the community.

buttress.net

 

[Centurions]

I am still struggling with the middle section base level bracing. Nobody else bothered by this?

Bothered? No, I thought it was generally accepted that it's just temporary bracing until everything is tied together?

 

[Centurions]

Slightly off topic, but somewhere for people to park, store their bikes, etc, on a match day from later this year. With 8000 more City fans attending the matches in the future, it’s only going to get busier on match days

Picture taken last Wednesday.

Etihad, top left, in the distance.

Ancoats Mobility Hub, left, middle, living wall.

Colony - LinkedIn.

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Set to complete by the end of this year, the next-generation multi-storey car park will hold space for 406 cars, 150 bicycles, 30 car shares, a parcel delivery hub, café, store, and nearly 15,000 sq ft of public realm.

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Ancoats Mobility Hub | Buttress

Embedding sustainable transport options into the community.

buttress.net

No doubt that's a good idea generally but I'm not sure how much effect (if any) it'll have on matchdays. 400 odd parking spaces doesn't seem that much and it's a fair distance from the ground is it not?

 

[jrb]

No doubt that's a good idea generally but I'm not sure how much effect (if any) it'll have on matchdays. 400 odd parking spaces doesn't seem that much and it's a fair distance from the ground is it not?

It probably won’t have a massive effect, but it’s still additional and secure car parking spaces, and bike racks. It’s not a long walk. About 15 minutes. It’s in Ancoats, so not far.

 

[Coatigan]

Bothered? No, I thought it was generally accepted that it's just temporary bracing until everything is tied together?

Hope so. Why oxide-paint coat it though, if temporary. Probably not long now till all tied in.

 

[gkmcfc]

I absolutely love The Etihad- always have.

It reminds me of the Olympic Stadium in Munich.

Not everyone’s cup of tea , but that is what architecture should do , split opinion.

The excavation to reveal the sub bowl was literally ground breaking and unprecedented.

Me too. I think it will look amazing once completed. Fan demand will dictate further expansion but agree it won’t happen for at least 10 years

 

[LEXSTARproject]

A couple of these with train station and bus transport hub would be perfect for the old gas tower sites. All you need to do to access it , is walk straight up Joe Mercer Way , no crossing of roads involved.

With the EUROS happening just now, and this country is next you would think the goverment have funding to help make this happen

 

[eyalluvitt]

2 more yellow platforms have been added.

Posted this picture from Linkedin on Sunday.

2 yellow platforms.

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A new picture on Linkedin posted 8 hours ago. Probably from earlier in the week? The weather looks ok.

4 yellow platforms have now been added.

The lower hole in the roof has got bigger.

A larger hole has appeared to the right of the roof.

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Is all this yellow just us paying fromage to the yellow wall in Dortmund?

 

[J.G.Blue.]

Is all this yellow just us paying fromage to the yellow wall in Dortmund?

Dont start with the cheese jokes again, you get told off :-)

 

[spinney]

No doubt that's a good idea generally but I'm not sure how much effect (if any) it'll have on matchdays. 400 odd parking spaces doesn't seem that much and it's a fair distance from the ground is it not?

Where exactly will this be in ancoats ?