North Stand Construction Discussion

HelloCity said:
Tbf, the removal of the roof supports and transfer of the cables to the towers at the north stand end is much more complex and costly than anything involved with the south stand.
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There is that. The space available is the same on both sides, because the whole stadium is surrounded by a wide ring path, and both stands sit within that ring. That's before you get anywhere near the road. The 'main' face of the north stand does actually sit 3m back from the main face of the south stand. But the outermost point of the south stand is further back to the ring than the furthest rear face of the north, so it really isn't a space thing.
 
Coatigan said:
There is that. The space available the same on both sides, because the whole stadium is surrounded by a wide ring path, and both stands sit within that ring. That's before you get anywhere near the road. It the. The 'main' face of the north stand does actually sit 3m back from the main face of the south stand. But the outermost point of the south stand is further back to the ring than the furthest rear face of the north, so it really isn't a space thing.
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Although the terracing might not be too different in terms of space, the towers do take up quite a bit of extra room.

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HelloCity said:
Although the terracing might not be too different in terms of space, the towers do take up quite a bit of extra room.

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Not in three dimensions. Not in comparison to the old cable supports, which are in the same location as the towers. The ring has always been and remains continuous around both.
 
Coatigan said:
Not in three dimensions. Not in comparison to the old cable supports, which are in the same location as the towers.
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Those supports at the south stand end are housed inside the stand with the top section coming out through a hole way higher than human height.

The towers at the north stand end don’t even start until the end top point of the supports which is where the cables now attach to the towers.

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HelloCity said:
Those supports at the south stand end are housed inside the stand with the top section coming out through a hole way higher than human height.

The towers at the north stand end don’t even start until the end top point of the supports which is where the cables now attach to the towers.

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I am talking about the existing supports and the backstays. They sit further back than the towers of the north stand, at ground level. And within the ring path. Both stands are built within this, as the outer most edge.
 
Coatigan said:
I am talking about the existing supports and the backstays. They sit further back than the towers of the north stand, at ground level. And within the ring path. Both stands are built within this, as the outer most edge.
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Me too.

The towers take up room behind where the original backstays are (south)/were (north).

Look at the image I posted of the south stand. The towers at the north stand end don’t actually start until the end point of the original backstays.

Therefore if the north stand design was implemented at the south stand end, the towers would cover the path between stand and fence.
 
HelloCity said:
Me too.

The towers take up room behind where the original backstays are (south)/were (north).

Look at the image I posted of the south stand. The towers at the north stand end don’t actually start until the end point of the original backstays.

Therefore if the north stand design was implemented at the south stand end, the towers would cover the path between stand and fence.
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I'll overlay it at lunchtime and show you what I mean.
 
HelloCity said:
Of course.

But the towers do take extra room up which would block the path at the south stand end. That’s indisputable.
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Only if you are assuming that exact same format. You can see it in your blue/black overlay, the tower line is the black line that sits within the backstay cable extent.

It is also indisputable the space is the same, given the existing structure is symmetrical, and the towers sit within the extent of the structure.
 
Coatigan said:
Only if you are assuming that exact same format. You can see it in your blue/black overlay, the tower line is the black line that sits within the backstay cable extent.

It is also indisputable the space is the same, given the existing structure is symmetrical, and the towers sit within the extent of the structure.
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The tower starts here. The clamp is in red.

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We can see that the north stand design would not be possible at the south stand end due to a lack of space for the towers.
 

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Coatigan said:
Just going to leave this here, for a sense of perspective/proportion.


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The new single tier stand will have 9518 seats (circa 8000 'additional').

Of that, 648 'premium' seats, (shown in yellow) with access to a joe's style bar. Padding or not, the seats are the same size and spacing as all the rest. They are not boxed off, grouped or isolated from the rest. That's 7% of the tier, once you exclude the dedicated hospitality above (shown in green). This area is a 'true' hospitality offering. In the sense it is separated from the rest, has its own access and lifts, its own booths and bars and vip zones. But this is only 5% of the new stand, and way up away from the main portion.

And that's excluding the 3000 odd seats of tier 1.

Sorry guys, but I'm not buying it that the club investing into such a big new stand, with only a 5% hospitality offering and a further 7% premium offering (12% total) are after pure revenue at the expense of the atmosphere. It just doesn't compute.

Various assumptions about the premium seating, but even if they are utterly silent posh folk with arms folded all 78 minutes of a match, circa 9000 fans all around those 648 seats (12000 including tier 1) should easily 'out-noise' them and create a great atmosphere.
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Looks great - I am wondering if my family can relocate from Joe's East to that stand
 
HelloCity said:
The tower starts here. The clamp is in red.

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We can see that the north stand design would not be possible at the south stand end due to a lack of space for the towers.
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Those images you posted show that it would though. Agree with your location of the towers. You can see they sit within the ring. Yes they are closer to he road, but still within the space around the stadium.

While it is interesting though, I feel we are derailing the thread somewhat.
 
HelloCity said:
There’s space to build it of course but I think the lack of space for fan movement would be an issue. Maybe that’s the bit I didn’t make clear.
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I see what you are saying. It would be well reduced, no doubt. But only if assuming that exact same format. I was really just pointing out the space was symmetrical.
 
HelloCity said:
There’s space to build it of course but I think the lack of space for fan movement would be an issue. Maybe that’s the bit I didn’t make clear.
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They could have got rid of those empty spaces at the back of the stand(One is now a bar in fairness in SSL1) and had an underpass so no room was really lost walkway wise
 
jrb said:
Off topic.

Hope posters don’t mind?

Inside Everton’s new stadium, which briefly shows the new single tier home end at pitch level.

I’ll post the video in the Stadium Developments thread as well.

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wow really come along since I was down , I walked down from the centre and my first thought was it is quite a way down and the paths leading up to it will need to be re done . there is a bridge that you crossover the water and the wood on that is very rotten in places I can imagine on a busy match day that would not be good .
do we know when its due to open ? I was thinking for upcoming season but looking at that it looks more next season `?
 
mcfcblue20 said:
wow really come along since I was down , I walked down from the centre and my first thought was it is quite a way down and the paths leading up to it will need to be re done . there is a bridge that you crossover the water and the wood on that is very rotten in places I can imagine on a busy match day that would not be good .
do we know when its due to open ? I was thinking for upcoming season but looking at that it looks more next season `?
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Should be finished by late this year / very early next year but they’ve said that despite this they won’t move in until August 2025.
 
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