North Stand Construction Discussion

That's exactly the point
Many working class families can't afford to go regularly at £50 each for a ticket on top of £35 membership so they watch it on TV while non City fans rock up for there day out
Against Unit*d in March 2 hours before kick of there were hundreds of "City Fans" with half& half scarves round the ground 90 percent were not even from England but they could afford there day out while local fans struggled to get tickets
That's the reality now
Many on here complain at away games as ordinary City fans are passed over for tickets in preference of the big spenders in corperate hospitality
One time it was a treat going in the hospitality section
Now it a treat going to a game & people wonder why atmosphere is poor at times
There is a balance to be struck between the big spenders & local fans & I don't think City have got it right
I wonder how many local fans sold their tickets to tourists ? - the tickets came from somewhere
 
Do you honestly think City fans have lots to moan about! Give your head a wobble.
A few examples off the top of my head:

- joining Euro super league
- decade of constant price rises
- platinum tax to double ticket points
- swathes of away tickets given to corporate sponsors
- crap KO times (e.g. Comm shield final vs Arsenal)
- club doing absolutely nothing to back up fans after Istanbul fiasco
- club allowing ‘anyone’ to buy tickets to a UCL semi final regardless of attendance history
- City easily having the worst fan engagement out of premier league clubs
- no independent supporters trust

No one disputes how good we are on the pitch. But city are not comparatively great with our fanbase.


We shouldn’t just be grateful and shut up…
I think it’s our prerogative as the lifeblood of the club to ask for a better deal constantly.
 
If you can't afford £50 for a ticket you don't go, or you go a couple of times a year, at least nowadays it's on t.v...
What you’re saying is true, our core fan base will be priced out and have to pick/choose games.

But don’t you think that’s sad? Don’t you want longstanding fans to be able to watch the club they love without financial pressure?

Would you still remain happy if the club charged £500 for a ticket and priced essentially all of us out?
 
Yep, sorry but you can't have it both ways. They're either representing the fans or speaking for themselves.
So let’s get this straight. The poster claimed that 1894 aren’t proper fans and that we have an issue with the club on everything, and just because @Manchester33 called out his post for the bullshit it was and dared ask him if he was a bootlicker you ended up backing the trolling ****. Having a difference of opinion on matters is fine but that post was deliberately wumming and for some inexplicable reason you sided with him. Well done you!
 
What you’re saying is true, our core fan base will be priced out and have to pick/choose games.

But don’t you think that’s sad? Don’t you want longstanding fans to be able to watch the club they love without financial pressure?

Would you still remain happy if the club charged £500 for a ticket and priced essentially all of us out?
We all want £20 tickets but footballs moved on financial fair play has kicked us in the bollocks, the fans, as clubs can now hide behind that, every penny counts etc etc
 
A few examples off the top of my head:

- joining Euro super league
- decade of constant price rises
- platinum tax to double ticket points
- swathes of away tickets given to corporate sponsors
- crap KO times (e.g. Comm shield final vs Arsenal)
- club doing absolutely nothing to back up fans after Istanbul fiasco
- club allowing ‘anyone’ to buy tickets to a UCL semi final regardless of attendance history
- City easily having the worst fan engagement out of premier league clubs
- no independent supporters trust

No one disputes how good we are on the pitch. But city are not comparatively great with our fanbase.


We shouldn’t just be grateful and shut up…
I think it’s our prerogative as the lifeblood of the club to ask for a better deal constantly.
I get that, every club needs guys like you asking questions
 
So let’s get this straight. The poster claimed that 1894 aren’t proper fans and that we have an issue with the club on everything, and just because @Manchester33 called out his post for the bullshit it was and dared ask him if he was a bootlicker you ended up backing the trolling ****. Having a difference of opinion on matters is fine but that post was deliberately wumming and for some inexplicable reason you sided with him. Well done you!
Except that nowhere did they say they weren't 'proper fans' or (as manchester33 said) 'not a fan'. That's just made up bollocks by you and them to try and garner sympathy.

1894 does seem to have a problem with a lot the club does if their Facebook page is anything to go by.
 
Except that nowhere did they say they weren't 'proper fans' or (as manchester33 said) 'not a fan'. That's just made up bollocks by you and them to try and garner sympathy.

1894 does seem to have a problem with a lot the club does if their Facebook page is anything to go by.
He referred to us as “fans”, not fans. If you can’t see what he was implying then you need to give your head a fucking wobble.

As for the last bit, that’s your opinion but I can tell you now that if it wasn’t for all the campaigning that 1894 have been involved in down the years, you’d be paying more for your season tickets and match day tickets. Not to mention 1894 being one of the main drivers behind the campaign that led to PL away tickets being capped at £30 for the past 8 seasons.
 
He referred to us as “fans”, not fans. If you can’t see what he was implying then you need to give your head a fucking wobble.

As for the last bit, that’s your opinion but I can tell you now that if it wasn’t for all the campaigning that 1894 have been involved in down the years, you’d be paying more for your season tickets and match day tickets. Not to mention 1894 being one of the main drivers behind the campaign that led to PL away tickets being capped at £30 for the past 8 seasons.
I've no argument with your 2nd paragraph but if that's what you took away from the quote then you're reading far too much into that I can see.
 
I wonder how many local fans sold their tickets to tourists ? - the tickets came from somewhere
A large proportion of tickets are being given/ sold on to ticket websites via the club. Hence why there are often rows of seats available on those sites for league games in particular.

The way tickets are distributed is a real issue, that we need to sort out before the north stand is built.
 
A large proportion of tickets are being given/ sold on to ticket websites via the club. Hence why there are often rows of seats available on those sites for league games in particular.

The way tickets are distributed is a real issue, that we need to sort out before the north stand is built.

The ticket price issue has reached Khaldoon.

The ticket price issue can only go 1 step higher, and that is to Sheikh Mansour.

The ticket price issue is at the top now within City.

MUEN.

But Al Mubarak also stressed the need to raise prices to continue boosting revenues that can be reinvested into the team, which continues to achieve unprecedented on-field success.

"This is a very delicate issue for sure. I appreciate the feelings of our fans when it comes to a very important aspect, which is the price of a ticket," said Al Mubarak.

"I want to try to explain this very difficult balance that there is always tension between investing, growing, meeting more demand, being sustainable and financially viable, and at the same time, taking care of our core fan base and making sure they have affordable tickets and they continue to enjoy their football in the way they always have.

We need to find ways to generate capital and revenue. Every pound coming out from that revenue has been reinvested in the team and continues to be reinvested in the team. So we have to again carefully tread.

"We're talking very closely to our fan base to make sure that we're able to strike that balance in an appropriate way. It's a balance. I recognise some of our fans obviously are not satisfied on the pricing side of it. We have to find solutions for them. That is our job.


"We have to work this out, but we also have to grow and we have to find the right commercial avenues for the club to continue to grow and to generate revenue, which inevitably then comes back to support the team and support the success that you've seen and that you will continue to see.”

 
Vandad H - Linkedin

2 days ago.

I’ve cropped out the ESL2 overhang and other bits of the original picture.

The 2nd picture is an enlarged screen grab.

The picture quality has suffered a bit.

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A section of the covering letter.

140444/NMC/2024|Non-material amendment to Planning Permission 136763/FO/2023 to vary the wording of Conditions 2 (Approved Plans and Documents) to make elevational alteations

The Applicant is now proposing a further NMA to Planning Permission Ref: 136763/FO/2023 to agree a slight change to the rhythm of the hotel and commercial building façade bays.

Proposed Description of Development

The proposed Description of Development of this Application is as follows:

“Non-material amendment to Planning Permission 136763/FO/2023 to vary the wording of Condition 2 (Approved Plans and Documents).”

Proposed Non-Material Amendment

Following the granting of the Planning Permission, further detailed design development has been undertaken in relation to the North Stand development and specifically in respect of the hotel building façade.

This original façade condition for the hotel building included a ‘two-on, two-off’ rhythm of fritted to vision glazing, which was ultimately determined to be acoustically vulnerable to flanking sound transmission as rooms would effectively share either side of the same mullion in the facade with no internal lining behind. The proposed amendment seeks to slightly change the hotel façade from a ‘two-on, two-off’ rhythm to an ‘on-off, on-off’ rhythm. It ultimately retains the overarching conceptual approach behind the façade with glazing sitting behind architectural vertical ‘ribs’ connected to the curtain wall system.

Without the facade shift, the detail at the central mullion would require two layers of dense plasterboard to be run through to the glass on each side, creating an awkward visual both internally and externally. This requirement is eliminated with the half bay shift.

To ensure consistent detail and visual continuity across City Square, the mullions have very slightly shifted also on the commercial building.

 
A section of the covering letter.

140444/NMC/2024|Non-material amendment to Planning Permission 136763/FO/2023 to vary the wording of Conditions 2 (Approved Plans and Documents) to make elevational alteations

The Applicant is now proposing a further NMA to Planning Permission Ref: 136763/FO/2023 to agree a slight change to the rhythm of the hotel and commercial building façade bays.

Proposed Description of Development

The proposed Description of Development of this Application is as follows:

“Non-material amendment to Planning Permission 136763/FO/2023 to vary the wording of Condition 2 (Approved Plans and Documents).”

Proposed Non-Material Amendment

Following the granting of the Planning Permission, further detailed design development has been undertaken in relation to the North Stand development and specifically in respect of the hotel building façade.

This original façade condition for the hotel building included a ‘two-on, two-off’ rhythm of fritted to vision glazing, which was ultimately determined to be acoustically vulnerable to flanking sound transmission as rooms would effectively share either side of the same mullion in the facade with no internal lining behind. The proposed amendment seeks to slightly change the hotel façade from a ‘two-on, two-off’ rhythm to an ‘on-off, on-off’ rhythm. It ultimately retains the overarching conceptual approach behind the façade with glazing sitting behind architectural vertical ‘ribs’ connected to the curtain wall system.

Without the facade shift, the detail at the central mullion would require two layers of dense plasterboard to be run through to the glass on each side, creating an awkward visual both internally and externally. This requirement is eliminated with the half bay shift.

To ensure consistent detail and visual continuity across City Square, the mullions have very slightly shifted also on the commercial building.


Not the best look that, doesn't help fill with much confidence that oversight.
 

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