North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[Centurions]

Unfortunately, those current fans in the most vocal areas are not being given an incentive to move and this will become a major hurdle in making the north stand a blue wall.
The club should offer a period of reduced pricing (2 seasons?) for North stand level 1, and offer priority access to fans relocating from those areas currently recognised as being most vocal (South stand/next to away fans etc). Make the Cross bar proposal general access for all fans, to encourage them to congregate before the game and build the atmosphere, similar to the bar in south stand. Once the North Stand singing area establishes itself, the more vocal fans will migrate there.
Eventually fans that don't want to sing, stand all game etc will inevitably move to more sedate areas of the ground !

All of that may come to fruition in some form or other, people are getting worked up because the club haven't detailed everything all at once.

The Cross Bar is sat in the middle of the GA concourse on that level with their own 4(?) bars.

 

[.db.]

Genuine question to all the atmosphere moaners is would you move to the upper tier of the North Stand?
Seems like last time 1894 tried to organise a home end after the South Stand was extended most just couldn't be arsed moving.

Against Dortmund 1894 have organised an another atmosphere section, this time at the front of SSL2. Don’t know how many have moved… I have.

I would also love to move to the expanded NSL1 if fans really drove it with excitement and buzz across our support about making it an atmosphere stand.

 

[jrb]

I'm not so convinced it Would be better myself. As an option in isolation, excluding who wants what.

If you've got 3000 standing fans together next to each other on NSL2, it's better than having 3000 fans disperserd across NSL2, with 5000 fans seated, including hospitality fan in-between them.

It isn't going to work.

 

[blueparrot]

If you've got 3000 standing fans together next to each other on NSL2, it's better than having 3000 fans disperserd across NSL2.

They aren’t dispersed they are all connected, somebody near the front of a side will be as connected to somebody at the back as a person on the far side to someone on the opposite side.

 

[Bert Swift]

There has no been no public comment in support of these plans from any supporters group at any stage be it the OSC, Citymatters, 1894 or any of the many other groups. That tells its own story. They have been in the room with the club and know it’s a stitch up. They know the blue wall was something Khaldoon said at the time but probably never meant.

There’s no one really on social media giving praise to these plans. This stand is not built with rank and file City fans in mind. There’s only a bit of Stockholm syndrome on this site thinking somehow this corporate beast of a club can be persuaded after planning permission has gone in to change their plans !

We still don’t have any pricing !

All of the groups knew in advance it was the only chance.

The club go ahead and plan whatever they want without caring.

Two small sections where fans are expected to sing and everyone else sat down in between- some blue wall that’s going to be !

1. Stockholm Syndrome ! I do not think so. It is more a case of seeing the bigger picture in the 21st century football business and understanding that there are many considerations to take into account. It is not an ideal world, never has been and never will.

2. So, you think that the club do not care ! The owners, club, teams and staff have done more for CITY in the past 17 years than at any time in our long and varied history.

3. Pricing - yes, we all want to know what things will cost but no fans at any club have pricing released in October.

4. No stadium in England has a `wall` nor atmospheres like across Europe. Leeds is probably the nearest to a lively, big end. Spurs is huge but not particularly vociferous or animated except when they play us ! Everton`s is too early to say. City`s South Stand lower is no more than a large paddock, is barely visible on TV and is not impressive.

5. New North Stand - 3,000 safe standing seats, an extra 1,500 ? down the 2 sides, 3,000? general admission in the middle (these figs. are estimates) is enough to look and sound great. Do you agree? Better than the existing set up in the SS.

6.The complete "plans", pricing and details are not fully known yet. Reasoned comments can be made when they are available. Anyone rushing to social media and the like can only do so in the absence of full information.

7. Who are the "rank and file" ? There are many different types of supporters. All follow the team in different ways. The club has to take into account varied aspects in its decision making which extend beyond pressure and self-interest groups.

8. C`mon CITY. Lets have 3 points at Villa this afternoon.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Unfortunately, those current fans in the most vocal areas are not being given an incentive to move and this will become a major hurdle in making the north stand a blue wall.
The club should offer a period of reduced pricing (2 seasons?) for North stand level 1, and offer priority access to fans relocating from those areas currently recognised as being most vocal (South stand/next to away fans etc). Make the Cross bar proposal general access for all fans, to encourage them to congregate before the game and build the atmosphere, similar to the bar in south stand. Once the North Stand singing area establishes itself, the more vocal fans will migrate there.
Eventually fans that don't want to sing, stand all game etc will inevitably move to more sedate areas of the ground !

This is rhe most important part of all in my opinion.

First refusal should be given to those season ticket holders in the existing rail seating areas with the ability to relocate in groups and with a financial incentive. Tell everyone what the club is doing and push it as “the new Kippax” and that will define it forever. A few thousand singers at the back of that stand plants the seed that will grow.

They can flog all the seats vacated to tourists, kids, families whatever.

 

[BLUE PEANUT]

All of that may come to fruition in some form or other, people are getting worked up because the club haven't detailed everything all at once.

The Cross Bar is sat in the middle of the GA concourse on that level with their own 4(?) bars.

Would be great if the club came out and stated their intentions, however even at this stage it seems quite fluid as seen with the July 25 plans and the reconfiguration of the ga+ etc.
Wouldn't be surprised if the club have drafted a couple of options for internal layout,candidates will have a date with the builders at which to commit.
Need to keep watching the cp and ssskies videos for clues as to which seats get fitted where !!!

 

[Centurions]

If you've got 3000 standing fans together next to each other on NSL2, it's better than having 3000 fans disperserd across NSL2, with 5000 fans seated, including hospitality fan in-between them.

It isn't going to work.

We don't even have confirmation that there is any hospitality on tier 1 and if there is, it will presumably be for the Cross Bar which is limited to 300 people. 300 people perhaps sat in better seats that may also be singers. Is that really a deal breaker for you?

 

[jrb]

They aren’t dispersed they are all connected, somebody near the front of a side will be as connected to somebody at the back as a person on the far side to someone on the opposite side.

Please, stop it.

How are safe standing fans connected to each other from the bottom of the side rows to the 14 top rows at the back of NSL2? They aren't.

It really isn't hard to understand.

I will screen grab the next video from CP or SS of NSL2 and highlight how far and how dispersed the safe standing fans on NSL2 will be from each other.

All 3000 safe standing should be stood together spread across the top of NSL2.

 

[Coatigan]

If you've got 3000 standing fans together next to each other on NSL2, it's better than having 3000 fans disperserd across NSL2, with 5000 fans seated, including hospitality fan in-between them.

It isn't going to work.

I'm not convinced. Not outright disagreeing with you, but I do see another side to it.

Btw. It is not like they are separated by 5000 zombies mate. The standing fans on the sides will have an impact on those in the middle, and vice versa.

Which is likely one amongst number of considerations here. Others being, acoustics, access, sequencing, adaptability.. etc.

 

[Coatigan]

That makes more sense,thanks. So as has been suggested doesn’t matter too much if the seats for it have moved from the very front of NS2 further back.

Up to a point. Within that bay, yes. Beyound that bay, it then goes to the other level, see the section again.

The conclusion that the seats are moving comes from the interpretation that 'the start of the expanded section' means rows 16 on, the new bit. As those words also describe the bar in the statement, then the bar also by default moves up a level.

 

[Dannyblue52]

I'm not convinced. Not outright disagreeing with you, but I do see another side to it.

Btw. It is not like they are separated by 5000 zombies mate. The standing fans on the sides will have an impact on those in the middle, and vice versa.

Which is likely one amongst number of considerations here. Others being, acoustics, access, sequencing, adaptability.. etc.

Singing is contagious. I am an FOC in the family stand but sing as loud as anyone. What's needed is the seating area in between the rail seats to have people who want to sit and sing. I think you may be amazed to see how many will join in. Yes you can sit and sing at the same time!

 

[Coatigan]

In regards to "In the overall scheme, approx. 600 ? GA+ seats should have no impact on atmosphere generated by at least 3000 more fans stood further behind, more fans stood along the sides, and a large GA area." we don't actually know if there are any GA+ seats in tier 1 (I'm sticking to the new naming conventions as it becomes confusing mixing the two). There's mention of maybe a small number that may have to move at the back of tier 0 for the City Hall option. They say that City Hall is "A new experience for around 500 fans on matchdays, and a hub for events on non-matchdays. This enhanced bar experience will be located at the back of Level 0 (formerly known as Level 1).", this is confusing at best as City Hall did have a capacity of 1,800. There is nothing stated yet on whether that 500 figure will be located in a small block at the back of tier 0 or not but presumably so, although the figure could be lower or higher.

The capacity of a space can't just change. It is a legal thing. The city hall will always be a n 1800 capacity space. Unless subdivided. Similarly the cross bar actual capacity is circa 600 as well. They can restrict it to 300, but legally it has to comply with it's maximum potential, innterms of escape, toilet provision, ventilation etc. There is another way to vary it, but we'd be going down an unnecessary rabbit hole.

So the city hall being stated as 500, either means it is a dedicated bar within a wider big bar (hopefully) or there will be an area separated at least on match days.

 

[Coatigan]

Singing is contagious. I am an FOC in the family stand but sing as loud as anyone. What's needed is the seating area in between the rail seats to have people who want to sit and sing. I think you may be amazed to see how many will join in. Yes you can sit and sing at the same time!

That was kind of my point, and possibly one of the reasons the club have 'wrapped' the central seated section with standing rails, to encourage the collective dynamic atmosphere from 3 sides.

 

[jrb]

You aren't getting or seeing something similar at the back of NSL2.

 

[jrb]

That was kind of my point, and possibly one of the reasons the club have 'wrapped' the central seated section with standing rails, to encourage the collective dynamic atmosphere from 3 sides.

Having stood on SSL1 for years I can tell you as a fact fans don't sing standing up, nevermind sitting down.

I understand what you are saying, and I have thought that myself, but what you are suggesting won't happen, bar the big games, and maybe City winning by a big score.

The obvious and sensible solution would have been to keep 3000, and possibly 4000 safe standing seats together at the top and towards the middle of NSL2.

 

[Coatigan]

Having stood on SSL1 for years I can tell you as a fact fans don't sing standing up, nevermind sitting down.

I understand what you are saying, and I have thought that myself, but what you are suggesting won't happen, bar the big games, and maybe City winning by a big score.

The obvious and sensible solution would have been to keep 3000, and possibly 4000 safe standing seats together at the top and towards the middle of NSL2.

As I said earlier, I am not disagreeing with you, just really looking at it from another angle that's all.

If the first two paragraphs are true then there really isn't anything at all that the club can do to change that. If they do what you say in the third paragraph, it maybe condenses 'the good', but then also spreads out 'the bad' which overall might be worse.

Catch you after the game bud.

 

[blueparrot]

Please, stop it.

How are safe standing fans connected to each other from the bottom of the side rows to the 14 top rows at the back of NSL2? They aren't.

It really isn't hard to understand.

I will screen grab the next video from CP or SS of NSL2 and highlight how far and how dispersed the safe standing fans on NSL2 will be from each other.

All 3000 safe standing should be stood together spread across the top of NSL2.

More connected than the various singing groups are now. Of course they are all connected in the NS , of all your objections this is the silliest.

 

[jimharri]

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[Tim of the Oak]

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