North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[M18CTID]

The offers by the club have been reported out there. Whether they are fair or sufficient, it is imo really up to those affected to decide and not for me to pass comment on perhaps. But it is unfair to suggest the club aren’t trying or offering options, including staying in their current seats etc.

I think you are misreading Centurions' point, and have got caught up on the semantics of that one line btw.

Edit i am also behind and this may have been cleared up already.

My issue was with him saying that fans aren't being forced out of their seats when they absolutely are

 

[Centurions]

Seriously, how you can say fans aren't being forced out when they 100% are and then deny that you're gaslighting anyone is completely and utterly beyond me. Is that a hill you really want to die on?

Who's gaslighting who? As I said, I'll leave you to it.

 

[skillman]

Besides what's in the below, no. They're supposed to be meeting with City matters early next year when we may find out more (unless they put an NDA on it :( )

Edit: forgot the link.

https://www.mancity.com/news/club/man-city-north-stand-ticketing-and-experience-update-63896738

Thanks mate. So news expected in the new year then...

I've been a ST holder since 2000 and now take my little one with me but on my knee - so desperate to get him a genuine ticket to avoid the fear every game of being turned away when he turns 5.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

What do you think the club should do? Stadium development has always happened. It happened at Maine Road numerous times. The offer being made to fans looks reasonable. The way it has been communicated does not look good I agree. The comms to fans are pretty poor generally. But the new facilities will be fantastic and the club is right to keep progressing.

The new facilities look great, but the reality is most fans won’t be using them (hotel, sky bar, exclusive areas).

When you say keep progressing - does that mean forcing fans out of their seats and making the ground even more corporate?

 

[M18CTID]

Who's gaslighting who? As I said, I'll leave you to it.

Answer this simple question - are fans being forced out of their seats Yes or No?

 

[blueparrot]

The new facilities look great, but the reality is most fans won’t be using them (hotel, sky bar, exclusive areas).

When you say keep progressing - does that mean forcing fans out of their seats and making the ground even more corporate?

It isn't more corporate at all though, it' makes the stadim less corporate, almost all the new seats are GA rail/ seats, with possibly around 1000 GA +. Most fans will use the new City square and the facilities around it, probably the shop and museum. Some will use the hotel,and a few will use the Sky bar.

 

[ytic04]

I would say i'm being forced out of my seat as i only have an option to stay if i can afford to pay for premium hospitality. Like most parents i'm paying for more than one SC, so not an option for me.
Most people have been here since the inception of the family stand and are SC holders, everyone knows each other.
Seems to be the back five rows of the two blocks being moved.

My main fear is knowing how shit the ticket office is and getting our group moved together.
Getting the pricing out sooner would make it a lot easier to decide where to move as we've all got different financial committments and don't want to make a rushed decision and end up moving twice.
Is the new safe standing going to be marketed as a cheaper area of the ground.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It isn't more corporate at all though, it' makes the stadim less corporate, almost all the new seats are GA rail/ seats, with possibly around 1000 GA +. Most fans will use the new City square and the facilities around it, probably the shop and museum. Some will use the hotel,and a few will use the Sky bar.

Not sure I agree. I think it’ll fracture the support more, as in you’ll have much more expensive areas throughout the whole ground/sections, which are more corporate in their nature, in between normal seating.

Ss2 is a good example of that. It’s half empty for 10 minutes after half time and stops any atmosphere spreading from ss1 to ss3

500 seats right behind the goal, doesn’t sound great to me either. Why would you force fans out and put those type of tickets in often the cheapest area of the ground

 

[blueparrot]

Not sure I agree. I think it’ll fracture the support more, as in you’ll have much more expensive areas throughout the whole ground/sections, which are more corporate in their nature, in between normal seating.

Ss2 is a good example of that. It’s half empty for 10 minutes after half time and stops any atmosphere spreading from ss1 to ss3

500 seats right behind the goal, doesn’t sound great to me either. Why would you force fans out and put those type of tickets in often the cheapest area of the ground

Those 500 are at the back of tier 1 so not that visible I din’t think the NS will be any differently priced to the South stand, except for those GA+ seats.
I’ll say this though we were in East 3 on Saturday over looking SS1, not sat up there for a few seasons. We noticed the CB 2 not full at kick offs , but neither were SS 1, lots still filing in after both kick offs.
Whatever though 1000 ish GA+ doesn’t make the stadium more corporate

 

[Coatigan]

My issue was with him saying that fans aren't being forced out of their seats when they absolutely are

I think you getting hung up on a wording technicallity mate. What does forced out mean?

If we go down that route, then unless you are saying someone will be literally picking a fan up out of their seat, then technically he is right and you are wrong. Does it matter?

Nobody is denying people are relocating, some/many maybe against what they'd want. Some/many may welcome it, some just give the whole lot up.

His point is borader than that and you seem to have imo missed it.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Those 500 are at the back of tier 1 so not that visible I din’t think the NS will be any differently priced to the South stand, except for those GA+ seats.
I’ll say this though we were in East 3 on Saturday over looking SS1, not sat up there for a few seasons. We noticed the CB 2 not full at kick offs , but neither were SS 1, lots still filing in after both kick offs.
Whatever though 1000 ish GA+ doesn’t make the stadium more corporate

I don’t think we are ever going to agree on this mate. I see ss2 as corporate (I know technically it’s not) and completely out my price range and most people’s.

I think 500 does make a difference either visually or noise wise and i just don’t get why they are needed right behind the goal. From what I remember they weren’t parent of previous plans

 

[WARBABY]

Yes.

Are you sure of that, or is some one with numerous matchday memberships selling on

 

[Donmcfc]

City regularly sell tickets through various agencies at inflated prices. I wouldn't trust any ticket agency to thoroughly vet their customers as they are some of greediest businesses around.

 

[Coatigan]

They specifically say that nobody in tier 1 (new numbering) will be affected by The Cross Bar which is all of the existing (in use) seats on the upper tier so they're definitely not going at the front of the tier. I wonder if they've maybe decided to give the front of the tier over to the 1894 banners? That is glass half full thinking mind.


We'll find out eventually if there is any GA+ seats further up (I'd be very surprised if not). I can only think that the City Hall Bar (whatever that may involve) was a much later decision although it's still puzzling as hell.

Don't want to revisit this old thing again, but really don't think we can say anything for definite at this point. The statement left so much to interpretation, none of it conclusive. One to watch. Maybe those affected will get a clearer picture before anyone else will, if the club take up their offer/request for talks. Hopefully.

 

[Coatigan]

This isn't news though we've known for years ,since the plans were released that some fans would be noved. On the original plans it was 660, now as far as we can tell it's 500. Different seats thanthe original plans but less being moved. Most of these fans could have probably been expected to have been moved years ago unless they still have children with them.

If we are guessing numbers, 1100 seats is as logical as 500. Based on the fact that the other GA+ was 650 seats to 300 bar capacity.

All we know is that there will be a new 500 capacity bar offering in the City Hall. How many seats are associated with that or what it does to the overall City Hall capacity and use, or how or if it affects the original GA+ in the stand, whether it even IS a version of GA+, we just have no idea at this point.

That btw isn't so much aimed at you, but for the benefit of others that may take the 500 mentioned in a few posts as fact.

 

[blueparrot]

I don’t think we are ever going to agree on this mate. I see ss2 as corporate (I know technically it’s not) and completely out my price range and most people’s.

I think 500 does make a difference either visually or noise wise and i just don’t get why they are needed right behind the goal. From what I remember they weren’t parent of previous plans

We aren't going to agree until it opens and we see prices. What I will say it I think theres a very good chance the 3000 rail seats will be the cheapest seats in the ground,and definitely won't be out of most fans price range.

 

[blueparrot]

If we are guessing numbers, 1100 seats is as logical as 500. Based on the fact that the other GA+ was 650 seats to 300 bar capacity.

All we know is that there will be a new 500 capacity bar offering in the City Hall. How many seats are associated with that or what it does to the overall City Hall capacity and use, or how or if it affects the original GA+ in the stand, whether it even IS a version of GA+, we just have no idea at this point.

That btw isn't so much aimed at you, but for the benefit of others that may take the 500 mentioned in a few posts as fact.

Yes agree, though currently as far as we know the club are saying the original 650 aren't being moved, either an error they haven't corrected or they aren't now being moved

 

[Coatigan]

The new facilities look great, but the reality is most fans won’t be using them (hotel, sky bar, exclusive areas).

When you say keep progressing - does that mean forcing fans out of their seats and making the ground even more corporate?

Technically there is less 'corporate' than before the expansion, if you account for what the NS had previously, and how it worked proportionally. Without even getting into semantics of what corporate is or isn't.

 

[M18CTID]

I think you getting hung up on a wording technicallity mate. What does forced out mean?

If we go down that route, then unless you are saying someone will be literally picking a fan up out of their seat, then technically he is right and you are wrong. Does it matter?

Nobody is denying people are relocating, some/many maybe against what they'd want. Some/many may welcome it, some just give the whole lot up.

His point is borader than that and you seem to have imo missed it.

There's no semantics here - some fans will have to move so yes, they're being forced out. That is absolutely not up for debate. Not physically of course but forced out all the same. If anything he's getting hung up on a wording technicality, not me.

As for his broader point, he clearly has little to no empathy for the fans who are affected by it and that's his prerogative of course, but he's practically outright mocking those who dare complain. That shouldn't sit right with anybody. Which brings me on to something else. Where were all these posters last season when the ticket price protests were ongoing? I didn't see too many of them sticking their heads up above the parapet and having a pop at the fans who were getting involved. Probably because the overwhelming groundswell of support was with those fans who were actively doing something and they thought better to keep quiet about it, yet were then happy to accept whatever concessions were gained from the club.

 

[jockblue]

As for his broader point, he clearly has little to no empathy for the fans who are affected by it and that's his prerogative of course, but he's practically outright mocking those who dare complain. That shouldn't sit right with anybody. Which brings me on to something else. Where were all these posters last season when the ticket price protests were ongoing? I didn't see too many of them sticking their heads up above the parapet and having a pop at the fans who were getting involved. Probably because the overwhelming groundswell of support was with those fans who were actively doing something and they thought better to keep quiet about it, yet were then happy to accept whatever concessions were gained from the club.

I'm not in any way disagreeing with what you say, and without turning this into a competition between displaced fans, this time the 500 fans will have pretty much a free choice of 6000 empty seats to pick from. It shouldn't be outwith the wit of man (or the ticket office) to have picked these 500 up and dropped them into the first non corporate rows of the new bit and maintained their pricing. I'm sure nearly all would have accepted that offer. and of course, that could still happen.

Clearly the club have history for that - we were moved when they created Joes/9320 in the CB stand and had to go into the only place where 5 empty seats were together in the top tier but only after several interventions by Danny Wilson. At least there's a whole unallocated stand for the club to move these people to...

As an aside, those claiming to have sat there since we moved from Maine Road - had they given up enforcing the family stand rules or should they have relocated by now anyway (assuming they didn't keep having kids)