if we would have lost with our full side out, then yes i would have been disapointed, but i dont think we would have been beat like tha. When your manager keeps leaving quality players ouit of the side for no reason, our game is on sat, and we played on the monday............who needs resting in 5 days...........JOKE! bad decision making AGAIN!
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Now The Dust Has Settled...
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I recognise your sentiment and agree that we should be gracious in defeat, but as someone else posted in another topic , there's losing and losing! Fair play 2 Liverpool they were "at it" from the kick off and were worthy winners but the manner in which we capitulated from the start was totally unacceptable IMO, I don't expect to win every game, I don't think we "deserve" a penalty just because we played well like the rags but I do expect every player to give 100% in every game and that was lacking from a good portion of our side on Monday night, performances from dzeko, bibotelli and yaya toure are lazy to say the least (we all have our scapegoats and they are mine) I think fans are more disgruntled with the manner of the defeat than the defeat itself and it's a re-occurring problem in big games - god help us at the weekend!
May I point out that it wasn't for the first time that questionable tactics & substitutions have been displayed. This is on top of yet another god awful display from an array of supposed world class players, players who have played at the highest level for club(s) and country.
To play like we did against a very very weak Liverpool team (no Gerrard, Torres, Agger, Johnson etc) was appalling and doesn't bode well for the semi on Saturday.
I, like others want the manager, the signings to succeed however like many times this season they both continue to flatter to deceive.
To play like we did against a very very weak Liverpool team (no Gerrard, Torres, Agger, Johnson etc) was appalling and doesn't bode well for the semi on Saturday.
I, like others want the manager, the signings to succeed however like many times this season they both continue to flatter to deceive.
daveduke67 said:...it's time that some people learned how to be gracious in defeat.
If you think that losing to Liverpool in a PL match is worthy of pages of doom and gloom what is going to be like when we get knocked out of the CL or lose a cup final.
Losing is all part of the experience - unless you want to take on board the rag attitude - we are who we are and we expect to win all the time - if we lose we'll throw our toys out of the pram, blame whoever we can and sulk about it.
There was a lot learned by the team and the manager on Monday - I know Mancini made the wrong decisions but I'm sure he's learned by his mistakes. Saying that they won't be his last.
Losing is part of the game of football - without losing you can't appreciate winning. We should know that more than anyone in the top five. People have got carried away with our recent success and expect it all the time. When we don't meet their new levels of expectations all hell breaks loose on here and it's as though we've been relegated the the third tier again. The reality is that have suddenly been shot into the limelight and we weren't ready for it. It'll take time to build a squad to compete with the teams above us.
There are/were people who genuinely thought that we were just going to blow the rags, Chelsea and Arsenal clean out of the water and brush aside anyone who got in our way. The reality is that we are going to be able to compete with them in the near future - there is no way that the rags are simply going to buckle under the pressure and become another Blackburn/Leeds and fade away after winning the PL. They will not go bust either - if the Glazers do get them into trouble there'll be a queue waiting to snap them up.
It's time we enjoyed the good times, took the bad ones on the chin and accepted that things don't always go our way. Unless you want to be like the rags of course?
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daveduke67 said:...it's time that some people learned how to be gracious in defeat.
If you think that losing to Liverpool in a PL match is worthy of pages of doom and gloom what is going to be like when we get knocked out of the CL or lose a cup final.
Losing is all part of the experience - unless you want to take on board the rag attitude - we are who we are and we expect to win all the time - if we lose we'll throw our toys out of the pram, blame whoever we can and sulk about it.
There was a lot learned by the team and the manager on Monday - I know Mancini made the wrong decisions but I'm sure he's learned by his mistakes. Saying that they won't be his last.
Losing is part of the game of football - without losing you can't appreciate winning. We should know that more than anyone in the top five. People have got carried away with our recent success and expect it all the time. When we don't meet their new levels of expectations all hell breaks loose on here and it's as though we've been relegated the the third tier again. The reality is that have suddenly been shot into the limelight and we weren't ready for it. It'll take time to build a squad to compete with the teams above us.
There are/were people who genuinely thought that we were just going to blow the rags, Chelsea and Arsenal clean out of the water and brush aside anyone who got in our way. The reality is that we are going to be able to compete with them in the near future - there is no way that the rags are simply going to buckle under the pressure and become another Blackburn/Leeds and fade away after winning the PL. They will not go bust either - if the Glazers do get them into trouble there'll be a queue waiting to snap them up.
It's time we enjoyed the good times, took the bad ones on the chin and accepted that things don't always go our way. Unless you want to be like the rags of course?
The thing is, I am very gracious in defeat. But I'll go off me fuckin head when I see that plaera don't give a shit and put in the effort at about 33% of their maximum. It's unacceptable! Try hard and lose and you'd see a very different forum!
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Bluemoon115 said:If we'd have lost with even a hint of a whimper people wouldn't be as wound up.
But it was 5 days before a semi final derby, and we were awful.
Just....awful.
It was one game though.
Five days before a semi exactly. Minds elsewhere - we haven't got the experience of the teams above us when it comes to FA Cup semi's. This is what I'm saying - it's the most famous cup competition in the world and we're in the semi's with a significant number of players who have never experienced anything like this. Surely we can cut them some slack with such a huge game looming. We have won nothing for 35 years - these lads have 35 years of hope on their shoulders this Saturday - you're telling me that you don't expect that to affect them? Maybe after a few more but not the first one.
Talking of simple lessons being learned, the most simple of them all is don't come on this forum the day after a defeat, we all feel better today, even the most miserable doom merchants!
IMO the biggest mistake Mancini made on Monday was to underestimate Liverpool, it really was that simple, he went into that game with that team and tactics thinking it would be sufficient, but Liverpoool started like a train and the game was lost after 20 minutes, they hit us hard !
He'll be up for it Saturday and so will the players, just watch !
IMO the biggest mistake Mancini made on Monday was to underestimate Liverpool, it really was that simple, he went into that game with that team and tactics thinking it would be sufficient, but Liverpoool started like a train and the game was lost after 20 minutes, they hit us hard !
He'll be up for it Saturday and so will the players, just watch !
Bluemoon115 said:If we'd have lost with even a hint of a whimper people wouldn't be as wound up.
But it was 5 days before a semi final derby, and we were awful.
Just....awful.
agreed, but would we have been as awful if nigel and silva had started? I think we would have won with those two starting and Mancini has now almost admitted the same. Its been how long since the Forrest game?
daveduke67 said:Bluemoon115 said:If we'd have lost with even a hint of a whimper people wouldn't be as wound up.
But it was 5 days before a semi final derby, and we were awful.
Just....awful.
It was one game though.
Five days before a semi exactly. Minds elsewhere - we haven't got the experience of the teams above us when it comes to FA Cup semi's. This is what I'm saying - it's the most famous cup competition in the world and we're in the semi's with a significant number of players who have never experienced anything like this. Surely we can cut them some slack with such a huge game looming. We have won nothing for 35 years - these lads have 35 years of hope on their shoulders this Saturday - you're telling me that you don't expect that to affect them? Maybe after a few more but not the first one.
To a point I understand what you're saying but we've got players like Silva, Yaya, Tevez, Balotelli, De Jong who have all played in major competitions for club & country. Saturday is a big game but finishing fourth is the priority, Mancini came out and said we didn't prepare 100% (or words to that effect) which is not good enough.
What happens (god forbid) if we get beat on Saturday? We've put all our eggs in one basket and the result on Monday has now seriously dented our chances of qualifying for the C.L next season. The scouse shit were there for the taking if we'd have shown a bit more application.
Semi final or not there is no excuse for not putting in 100% into every game you play. I can't make excuses for that and neither should the club