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Ian Herbert: City lost this skirmish but Cook has strategy for victory in the war
Mancini's position unaffected by cup loss as owner puts trust in team-building plans. Cook exposed by derby bravado but City retain faith in gaffe-prone chief executive

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Roberto Mancini handled defeat at Old Trafford well but will have learnt that his Manchester City side still have some way to go to topple United


There was no doubt among Manchester City's players late on Wednesday night that there had been valour for every one of them in defeat. Manager Roberto Mancini rose to his feet on the team bus as it navigated a route out of Old Trafford and told them they could be back again as winners. He earned a deafening round of applause from his new players when he took his seat.

That said, no one around the blue side of Manchester was pretending yesterday that the Carling Cup semi- final defeat was anything less than a tragedy – and one compounded by the minor little miseries, like manager Mancini being forced to wait behind a locked gate to get into his press conference and United's kitman Albert Morgan walking up to City executives in the Old Trafford tunnel at the end and waving a red scarf in their faces.

City lost the battle, for sure, 3-1 on the night, 4-3 on aggregate, but it would be foolish to rule them out of the turf war. The detractors who would like the Arab riches to fall on stony ground, and for City's years without silverware to extend for more decades, are fond of imagining that Mancini's grip on the club is a precarious one which may end this summer. But the Italian has a security which his predecessor, Mark Hughes, lacked. The club's chairman, Khaldoon al-Mubarak, wants Mancini to hit the 70-point target in the Premier League this season which Hughes agreed to at a board meeting in August, but the Italian will still be in situ next season if he does not.

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It is understood that Mubarak and his board do not believe it is fair to expect Mancini, who is on a straight three-and-a-half year contract, to achieve the season's target having arrived halfway through. Neither is a top-four place this May understood to be a condition of his tenure extending to the 2010-11 season, though Mubarak is convinced from what he has seen that Mancini's results since arriving set him on course to achieving it.

The club are also undertaking work to ensure that the chief executive, Garry Cook, hugely valued in the Middle East, is not exposed to any more of the embarrassments which have contributed to his gaffe-prone image. Mubarak and his team are reported to believe Cook was left exposed when a video phone was used to record his declaration, in a bar in New York two weeks back, that City would become "without doubt, the biggest and best football club in the world".

Cook had been assured beforehand that it was safe to deliver a rousing speech to fans at the City-supporting Mad Hatter pub, where he had arrived to present a blue plaque to the bar to mark its affinities. The publicity created by the speech has helped fuel the latest chatter among the enemies Cook has made in the game that he is destined to be ousted this summer, though there is no evidence that this might be the case.

The Arabs have been astonished by the blizzard of publicity which City attract and they view Cook as an individual who has taken the hit for them after Hughes' departure last month. They also consider him pivotal to aspects of the club's corporate transformation which are alien to many traditionalists, and recognise the substantial role he had in player recruitment before Brian Marwood's arrival as football administrator. Cook, who remains generally popular with City fans, was heavily involved in the signing of Shay Given.

Cook's reputation took a major hit when Hughes left, though a clearer picture is now emerging about the Arabs' motives. The 70-point target was clearly fundamental, after four transfer windows' activity was condensed into two as the Arabs see it. "Accelerated player acquisition" was the term Cook used – though Mubarak's staff acknowledge that this was their way of putting it, not his, and that it was a mistake in retrospect to leave him to repeat it.

But points were not the only issue, with the Arabs understood to be relieved that Mancini appears to be more willing than the Welshman to accept their offer of the larger group of back-room staff which they believe befits the manager of a potentially world-class side. They felt a need for defensive specialists.

There is evidence from United and City's respective financial statements of the past month that the gulf between the two of them is narrowing fast. City's wage bill – £82.63m – will surpass United's next year and that, rather than transfer fees, is believed to be the prime indicator of a team's likely success on the field of play. Spending on salaries accounted for 92 per cent of variation in league position between 1998 to 2007.

City do still appear to lack the Wayne Rooney talisman in the squad of largely solid Premier League players Hughes gathered around him and Mancini, who is not expected to launch a clear-out this summer, perhaps needs the marquee signing which City will go for when the opportunity arises. But who, bar Rooney, will be left at Old Trafford when Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes have gone? And which of the Manchester clubs is debt-free to buy more? Yes, that battle was absorbing but the war will be something else.
 
Good article.

United's kitman Albert Morgan walking up to City executives in the Old Trafford tunnel at the end and waving a red scarf in their faces.

You can't buy class.
 
Champions League a must for Manchester City

Oliver Kay, Football Correspondent

City's pursuit of Johnson may be more likely to bear fruit than moves for other, more illustrious players with whom they have been linked

Day 514 of the Great Manchester City Project was one of contemplation. There was the hangover from the dramatic but ultimately deflating night before and there was also the meek departure of Robinho, the £34.2 million man whose acquisition was supposed to herald the club’s emergence as football’s new superpower.

Let us call it the end of the beginning for City under the ownership of Sheikh Mansour. A chapter had ended last month with the controversial dismissal of Mark Hughes as manager and his replacement with Roberto Mancini, but, with Robinho returning to Brazil to rejoin Santos on loan yesterday, less than 24 hours after the club had suffered yet more heartbreak at the hands of Manchester United in the Carling Cup semi-final, this was the end of act one: exit stage left, to the familiar sound of catcalls at Old Trafford.

So where do City go from here? The easy answer is a Barclays Premier League game at home to Portsmouth on Sunday, the perfect opportunity to reiterate their ambitions to qualify for next season’s Champions League. That, rather than winning the Carling Cup, has become the overriding priority in City’s bid to persuade a sceptical world to take them seriously, but Wednesday was a setback. If stage one in the City project, as laid out by Garry Cook, the chief executive, was to “own Manchester”, it is clear that United, despite problems of their own, will not make life easy for them.

For as long as City are kept at arm’s length by United and the rest of the establishment, Cook’s soundbites are going to be thrown back at him. Last week, addressing City supporters in a New York bar, it was “not if but when we are at Wembley, having beaten Man United yet again” and “this football club is, without doubt, going to be the biggest and best football club in the world”. As a chief executive, Cook has far more to offer than boasts and big talk, but by all accounts his words last week infuriated Sir Alex Ferguson, the United manager, who was already determined to deny City their first significant final since 1981.

City competed well over both legs of the semi-final, but they were beaten by a better, stronger team, one who know how to win trophies and are driven by the desire to win more. In their two encounters at Old Trafford this season, City have lost to goals scored in stoppage time. City’s supporters can rail about “Fergie time”, but it is no coincidence which of these teams scores dramatic late goals in the big matches and which find themselves on the receiving end.

Hughes felt the absence of a “winning mentality” was his biggest problem at City — along with Robinho, a player whose heart and mind were never in Manchester. It is Mancini’s job to solve both those problems and, having first talked of helping Robinho to become “part of the club’s history”, he has come to the same solution proposed by Hughes. As for the winning mentality, Patrick Vieira’s experience was meant to rub off on his new team-mates, but the 33-year-old former Arsenal captain has yet to kick a ball since arriving from Inter Milan on a six-month contract three weeks ago.

There may be some activity before the transfer window closes on Monday, but, with lessons learnt from the regrettable Robinho experience, the focus will be on the defence apart from the pursuit of Adam Johnson, the young Middlesbrough winger. For now, top-class attacking talents such as Fernando Torres, Sergio Agüero, Franck Ribéry and Ángel Di María remain in the realm of fantasy signings, as does Yaya Touré, the Barcelona midfield player, even if his brother, Kolo, is, for now at least, the City captain.

City will continue to think big — bruised but unbowed by rejections over the past 18 months in their high-profile pursuits of Kaká, Ronaldinho, John Terry, David Villa, Samuel Eto’o and, if whispers are to be believed, Torres. But what they need is to achieve Champions League qualification. With vast resources, an ambitious but unproven club can sign a certain calibre of player — Gareth Barry, Shaun Wright-Phillips and, to the astonishment of many, Emmanuel Adebayor and Carlos Tévez, as well as Robinho, who seemed to have little say in the matter — but further high-class upgrades will be difficult unless City can offer the incentive of Champions League football.

With Liverpool still struggling to shrug off their mid-season malaise, an opportunity exists for City to get into the top four in the league.

The FA Cup, for which they are second-favourites behind Chelsea, represents another realistic target. But in the space of 24 hours, one trophy has slipped through their grasp and their trophy player has disappeared to Brazil. It is not crisis time by any means, but Mancini, like Cook and Mansour, has much to ponder as the much-hyped project enters phase two.

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basically I agree with the headline, but not the analysis that UTD wanted to win more. I think they just had the experience to go with the desire.
 
bizzbo said:
basically I agree with the headline, but not the analysis that UTD wanted to win more. I think they just had the experience to go with the desire.

I think they did want it more than we did to be honest.

Not more than the fans, no one wants a trophy more than us, but Ferguson and his team wanted this desperately. Under the circumstances it's understandable, out of the FA cup, no more than a shot at the league, surely not good enough for Europe this season, it was their best chance for a trophy.

On the other hand, Mancini constantly talks about the top 4, that's what he's here for, the league cup would have been great, brilliant, but ultimately if he won that and finished 7th he'd be out of a job.

I'm not making excuses for why we lost and I'm not pretending I'm not arsed we got beat but I do feel that the rags wanted this more than we did.

For Mancini and a host of players both current and future, top 4 is all that matters.
 
Spindash said:
Good article.

United's kitman Albert Morgan walking up to City executives in the Old Trafford tunnel at the end and waving a red scarf in their faces.

You can't buy class.

How typical rag idiot is that???
 
TheMightyQuinn said:
I think they did want it more than we did to be honest.
They did. In fact they were desperate to beat us on Wednesday. We've got them rattled from top to bottom (and that's from someone close to Baconface).

As well as our rise, they have to contend with their financial situation where it's now clear, despite all the bluster, the Ronaldo money went into the Glazers' pockets. They know they won't be buying big again (unless they sell even bigger) so no more Rooneys, Berbatovs, Ferdinands and more Owens and cheap punts on kids like Smalling & Tosic who might or might not make it.

Baconface probably also knows he's screwed up by not retiring earlier. His pride and ego has left him in a situation where he might have gone on a season or two too far. The last thing he wants is to go out when his club have been bested by us. I can't see that he'll stay beyond this season because we will be better next season and they won't.
 

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