Matt Diablo
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Amen brother
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OK, let's be realistic
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We can still attract the top players even if we miss out on qualifying the Champions League. We have done so earlier on in our takeover and anyone worth their salt will take stock of our current position and see what we have achieved since 2017 and still want to be part of the rebuild. It will cost us a little more than usual if we do so.
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I like your post mate,cheered me up a bitthe only positive is we know its not for the foreseeable, we have a fantastic set up at the Etihad, we have owners that will act and invest immediately as soon as possible, although shocked at how quick the rot has set in i'm quite looking forward to the next chapter ''The Rebuild'' its going to be exciting times ahead and the only man for the Job is Pep, even Pep himself would have learned from this, look to the near future blues yes we write this season off but we go again in 25/26 with fresh legs
BamberBridgeBlue
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That last sentence is a well peddled myth. Plenty of clubs who miss out on top 4 for a season still attract top players. I accept it doesn’t help but it’s not the end of the world.I don`t think anyone could see this fall from grace so quickly and its been a shock to the system for one and all.
I don`t blame individuals as IMO I believe its been a collective thing from the Powers That Be in the corridors of The Etihad, Coaches and the Players.
Lets just stand back for a while and take stock of how and why this has happened. Obviously the main problem has been injuries and long term ones for quite a few players but Rodders is the main problem as its near impossible to find anyone like him currently. Pep for whatever reasons has kept faith with some of "old brigade" for too long now so both himself and Txiki are culpable of not strengthening the squad, certainly this season.
Its certainly come back to bite Pep on the arse with using a small squad. We then look at the roles of Soriano and our wonderful Khaldoon. Have they taken their eyes off what could happen and been too over confident ?
And finally the Players. Lets be honest and I would say that the majority of Blues were delighted with the return of Gundo at that time. Certainly I was.Players like Walker, KDB,Gundo and Stones, just to name but a few are possibly well past their sell by date, but we shouldn`t forget their loyalty and how they formed this wonderful team.
The drop of Phil Foden is alarming and that to could be said of Bernie plus the drop off can be said of young Lewis after some very promising performances last season. Two or three of our signings have been underwhelming and perhaps we bought in panic mode, who knows.
So finally we have been on a wonderful journey over the past 8 seasons or so and all good things must come to an end eventually. I think the majority of Blues knew this journey wouldn`t continue ... but by the same token I don`t think we thought we would end up falling off a cliff so rapidly.
Who knows what the outcome will be on this season but lets not forget that should we not reach those top 4 positions then we will lose out on attracting the top players.
Fingers crossed.
mac
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Every year we should bring in 1 quality player. 2 maybe. Even if it means shipping another one out. Keeps everyone on their toes and the team fresh.
I actually feel like winning the treble was the far worst thing for those in charge.
Complacency has crept in at the executive level and they’ve neglected the most important part of the club - the men’s first team whilst trying to build other areas. The stadium expansions, tv deals, womens team, academy etc. We seem to be doing fine on these fronts.
Our recruitment has been subpar since the treble but one area that doesn’t get spoken about is how we have big, past it players on mega contracts. We’ve let our best talent go out the door too.
Injuries have exposed these issues this season, last summer transfer window was puzzling to say the least.
It’s a perfect storm of badness. I don’t really know where they go from here but Khaldoon, Soriano and Begiristain have all got too comfortable with each other imo. It’s good thing Viana is coming in.
Some players have clearly won too much and should’ve been moved on sooner.
Guess they’ll have to start in January. We need to put the men’s first team back at the heart of what we do.
Call me a deluded happy clapper but I still think we can get top 4.
Complacency has crept in at the executive level and they’ve neglected the most important part of the club - the men’s first team whilst trying to build other areas. The stadium expansions, tv deals, womens team, academy etc. We seem to be doing fine on these fronts.
Our recruitment has been subpar since the treble but one area that doesn’t get spoken about is how we have big, past it players on mega contracts. We’ve let our best talent go out the door too.
Injuries have exposed these issues this season, last summer transfer window was puzzling to say the least.
It’s a perfect storm of badness. I don’t really know where they go from here but Khaldoon, Soriano and Begiristain have all got too comfortable with each other imo. It’s good thing Viana is coming in.
Some players have clearly won too much and should’ve been moved on sooner.
Guess they’ll have to start in January. We need to put the men’s first team back at the heart of what we do.
Call me a deluded happy clapper but I still think we can get top 4.
Amazing! Hit the nail on the headGreat post oakie. I've just posted something similar on a WhatsApp group There's no one person to blame for this it's a collective failure from top to bottom. In the boardroom, the executive suite, Pep and the players.
This isn't a blip, or just needs a bit of a refresh to put things back to where they were. It's a full-scale crisis that needs some radical and long-term thinking. Khaldoon needs to bang some heads together and shake things up. And if that means some senior executives, coaching staff and players bear the brunt, then so be it.
- CFG is one. It's Soriano's vanity project and I believe has diverted attention from things that should have been done to keep us at the top. The cost is high and the benefit minimal.
- City is the jewel in the crown of CFG but we don't have a dedicated CEO or COO, while the other clubs have theirs, who are solely focused on one club. How many clubs are Soriano and Roel de Vries focused on?
- Txiki Begiristain has seemingly been counting the days to retirement. Our recruitment has been sub-par for a club with our ambition and stature.
- One clear failure was not being ruthless after the CL final. A focused approach would have seen that the squad was getting older, and maybe needed some younger, hungrier players taking the place of those who had won everything and were in the latter years of their careers. Yet we're still watching players like KDB & Stones struggling for fitness, Walker losing his pace and any resemblance to a defender. Bernardo is strolling through games, producing nothing. We don't have a left back so we're reduced to playing Nunes.
- Pep has to take a lot of the blame. His insistence on a small squad has meant injuries have killed us and even when fil, players are being run into the ground, leading to more injuries. They're not getting time to recover.
- Pep has turned us from a team that played the fast, incisive, one-touch football we played in 2017/18 and the following seasons, into the plodding, painful shambles we are now, with no organisation, intensity, accuracy or pressing. Teams, even average teams, play through us so easily. Does he have any answers? It doesn't look like it, as he can't seem to pick the players up or getting them playing anywhere near to the standard they should be. Perhaps the players have lost faith in him, or he has lost his mojo. Either way, we can't carry on like this.
- And then there are the players. We've seen players lose form and confidence temporarily but others have shouldered the burden until they've recovered. But no one seems to have any confidence or shows any leadership. The players all used to know where their teammates were, where they needed to be and what they needed to do. Now they're a disorganised shambles and no one is ever in the right place. They're making schoolboy errors. Our pass accuracy used to be incredible but now we can't seemingly find a blue shirt. Rather than being a well-drilled unit, we're eleven scared individuals.
Great post PBGreat post oakie. I've just posted something similar on a WhatsApp group There's no one person to blame for this it's a collective failure from top to bottom. In the boardroom, the executive suite, Pep and the players.
This isn't a blip, or just needs a bit of a refresh to put things back to where they were. It's a full-scale crisis that needs some radical and long-term thinking. Khaldoon needs to bang some heads together and shake things up. And if that means some senior executives, coaching staff and players bear the brunt, then so be it.
- CFG is one. It's Soriano's vanity project and I believe has diverted attention from things that should have been done to keep us at the top. The cost is high and the benefit minimal.
- City is the jewel in the crown of CFG but we don't have a dedicated CEO or COO, while the other clubs have theirs, who are solely focused on one club. How many clubs are Soriano and Roel de Vries focused on?
- Txiki Begiristain has seemingly been counting the days to retirement. Our recruitment has been sub-par for a club with our ambition and stature.
- One clear failure was not being ruthless after the CL final. A focused approach would have seen that the squad was getting older, and maybe needed some younger, hungrier players taking the place of those who had won everything and were in the latter years of their careers. Yet we're still watching players like KDB & Stones struggling for fitness, Walker losing his pace and any resemblance to a defender. Bernardo is strolling through games, producing nothing. We don't have a left back so we're reduced to playing Nunes.
- Pep has to take a lot of the blame. His insistence on a small squad has meant injuries have killed us and even when fil, players are being run into the ground, leading to more injuries. They're not getting time to recover.
- Pep has turned us from a team that played the fast, incisive, one-touch football we played in 2017/18 and the following seasons, into the plodding, painful shambles we are now, with no organisation, intensity, accuracy or pressing. Teams, even average teams, play through us so easily. Does he have any answers? It doesn't look like it, as he can't seem to pick the players up or getting them playing anywhere near to the standard they should be. Perhaps the players have lost faith in him, or he has lost his mojo. Either way, we can't carry on like this.
- And then there are the players. We've seen players lose form and confidence temporarily but others have shouldered the burden until they've recovered. But no one seems to have any confidence or shows any leadership. The players all used to know where their teammates were, where they needed to be and what they needed to do. Now they're a disorganised shambles and no one is ever in the right place. They're making schoolboy errors. Our pass accuracy used to be incredible but now we can't seemingly find a blue shirt. Rather than being a well-drilled unit, we're eleven scared individuals.
As fans we see the problems as they manifest themselves on the pitch.
Nobody apart from Khaldoon, Txiki and Pep know what the position is behind the scenes.
Easy to slate recruitment but maybe Khaldoon said hang fire for a season.
Who knows the extent of injuries and mental weariness after such prolonged success and a brutal schedule for a small squad.
Circle the wagons, stick it to every one who wants to try and take the piss, support the lads and trust the management.
No one has ever achieved what we have and it wasn’t achieved by luck.
Nobody apart from Khaldoon, Txiki and Pep know what the position is behind the scenes.
Easy to slate recruitment but maybe Khaldoon said hang fire for a season.
Who knows the extent of injuries and mental weariness after such prolonged success and a brutal schedule for a small squad.
Circle the wagons, stick it to every one who wants to try and take the piss, support the lads and trust the management.
No one has ever achieved what we have and it wasn’t achieved by luck.
I said on another thread; they were loving it and supporting Pep and the players after 8 great years but want them out after 8 bad weeks.
That’s not support, it’s entitlement.
Just got to roll our sleeves up and plough on with toughness and resolve. Fans, players and manager alike, altogether as one.
Up the Blues!
I hate that type of thing. Pep is arguably the best manager of all time. Imagine wanting him out. Not only that but he's given you the very best years you'll ever have. He deserves loyalty, even if the grass looks greener elsewhere
We had some hard years at Arsenal. I was never ever Wenger Out and always thought he deserved a rebuild. He was our best ever manager and gave us our best years. In truth the game probably had progressed abit and he did rest on his laurels. But I absolutely hate the entitled fans who hounded him out. Disgusting behaviour
As a rival fan, I believe you've gone from having the easily the best recruitment to significantly weaker recruitment. You had an awful lot of players close to Balon Dor level. I'd put KDB, Mahrez, Rodri (obviously), Both Silvas, Gundo at that level. The players you could put at that level are simply past their best or gone. I'm not as good on my rating of CBs but I always thought Laporte was world class. Even Jesus on his day is a heck of player.
The other thing to think about is player burnout. Winning 4 titles and the runrate you had was ridiculous. Maybe those players can't focus as much mentally and have simply dropped off 5%.
All that aside, you won the league last year losing this same fixture. Emery is doing a great job at Villa.