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DontLookBackInAnger
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Re: are 1st kit.
It was my understanding the red/black was a mistake and it was another team in the Gorton area that wore it, I'm sure Gary James will be able to set us straight.Egyptian said:"A booklet entitled Famous Football Clubs – Manchester City published in the 1940s indicates that West Gorton (St. Marks) originally played in scarlet and black, and reports dating from 1884 describe the team wearing black jerseys bearing a white cross, showing the club's origins as a church side.[29] ".
[29] James, Manchester: The Greatest City pp. 14–15
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_F.C.#Club_crest_and_colours
Interesting. I have never read that City might have played in red an black that early.
Le Havre Oswald
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thanks.<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:57 pm --<br /><br />thanks.
thanks.<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:57 pm --<br /><br />thanks.
Gary James
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Re: are 1st kit.
There's no factual evidence to say we wore scarlet and black other than that booklet from the 40s, but there were lots of other errors in that. I really don't believe there's any truth in us wearing those colours however I will add that Paul Toovey does believe these were the Club's colours in 1883-84. He mentions it in his book "Manchester City The Birth Of The Blues 1880-1894" - I don't know where he got that info from.
In 1969 to get fans to accept the new red & black stripes the story was pedalled out as absolute fact but there were errors in that (it claimed we wore the kit in the 1890s I think).
DontLookBackInAnger said:It was my understanding the red/black was a mistake and it was another team in the Gorton area that wore it, I'm sure Gary James will be able to set us straight.Egyptian said:"A booklet entitled Famous Football Clubs – Manchester City published in the 1940s indicates that West Gorton (St. Marks) originally played in scarlet and black, and reports dating from 1884 describe the team wearing black jerseys bearing a white cross, showing the club's origins as a church side.[29] ".
[29] James, Manchester: The Greatest City pp. 14–15
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_F.C.#Club_crest_and_colours
Interesting. I have never read that City might have played in red an black that early.
There's no factual evidence to say we wore scarlet and black other than that booklet from the 40s, but there were lots of other errors in that. I really don't believe there's any truth in us wearing those colours however I will add that Paul Toovey does believe these were the Club's colours in 1883-84. He mentions it in his book "Manchester City The Birth Of The Blues 1880-1894" - I don't know where he got that info from.
In 1969 to get fans to accept the new red & black stripes the story was pedalled out as absolute fact but there were errors in that (it claimed we wore the kit in the 1890s I think).
GX Blue
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Re: are 1st kit.
The black kit looks evil, i like it!
The black kit looks evil, i like it!
Re: are 1st kit.
From 1880 until 1883 the club was known as St. Mark's / West Gorton (St. Mark's) (colours not known). In 1883, West Gorton (St. Mark's) merged with Belle Vue Rangers to form WEST GORTON. Fred Johnson's book on the History of City (published 1930) mentions that the club colours of WEST GORTON were "scarlet and black". Fred Johnson's book is the earliest history of City and in his acknowledgements he gives special thanks to Walter Chew, who was one of the founders of City and the most influential person in the first ten years of the club's history, before the club became a senior club.Walter Chew played for WEST GORTON in 1883/84. I believe that this information (about WEST GORTON's colours) is accurate and this was why I included this in "The Birth of the Blues".
In 1884, the former St. Mark's/West Gorton (St. Mark's) players left WEST GORTON and formed Gorton (colours black shirts with white cross) which changed its name to Ardwick when the club obtained a tenancy of land at Hyde Road, Ardwick. Ardwick later became City.
The former Belle Vue Rangers continued as WEST GORTON but the name was changed to WEST GORTON ATHLETIC and later to WEST GORTON HIBERNIAN. Eventually, this club folded. City's history is not linked to WEST GORTON (or these other clubs) after Gorton was formed in October 1884.
From 1880 until 1883 the club was known as St. Mark's / West Gorton (St. Mark's) (colours not known). In 1883, West Gorton (St. Mark's) merged with Belle Vue Rangers to form WEST GORTON. Fred Johnson's book on the History of City (published 1930) mentions that the club colours of WEST GORTON were "scarlet and black". Fred Johnson's book is the earliest history of City and in his acknowledgements he gives special thanks to Walter Chew, who was one of the founders of City and the most influential person in the first ten years of the club's history, before the club became a senior club.Walter Chew played for WEST GORTON in 1883/84. I believe that this information (about WEST GORTON's colours) is accurate and this was why I included this in "The Birth of the Blues".
In 1884, the former St. Mark's/West Gorton (St. Mark's) players left WEST GORTON and formed Gorton (colours black shirts with white cross) which changed its name to Ardwick when the club obtained a tenancy of land at Hyde Road, Ardwick. Ardwick later became City.
The former Belle Vue Rangers continued as WEST GORTON but the name was changed to WEST GORTON ATHLETIC and later to WEST GORTON HIBERNIAN. Eventually, this club folded. City's history is not linked to WEST GORTON (or these other clubs) after Gorton was formed in October 1884.