Palestine Action

[inchy14]

Yeah I did, you just didn't like the answer :)

If your action in objecting to something breaks UK Laws you WILL face reprimand because we have no carte blanche freedom of expression laws in the UK, currently. There are caveats, which, once broken, limits your legal right to express yourself.

This is the democracy you and I abide by. You may not like it, but you abide by it.

No one is disputing that they broke the law, but to then proscribe them as terrorists is a step to far and an abuse of power imo.

 

[Metal Biker]

No one is disputing that they broke the law, but to then proscribe them as terrorists is a step to far and an abuse of power imo.

So what point are you trying to make here?

This is how things have always been in the UK. Is it just NOW you're not happy with it?

 

[inchy14]

So what point are you trying to make here?

This is how things have always been in the UK. Is it just NOW you're not happy with it?

Do you think what they did is terrorism?

 

[Metal Biker]

Do you think what they did is terrorism?

I believe they broke the law, which is all that matters.

 

[Vic]

So what point are you trying to make here?

This is how things have always been in the UK. Is it just NOW you're not happy with it?

Always?

Digging a new hole now.

 

[inchy14]

I believe they broke the law, which is all that matters.

Don’t disagree, so why not prosecute them under that law instead of declaring them a terrorist organisation.

 

[Metal Biker]

Don’t disagree, so why not prosecute them under that law instead of declaring them a terrorist organisation.

Because you're conflating two different situations. The act on the RAF base alone was not the sole reason for declaring them a terrorist group. It was, shall we say, the 'nudge' that pushed them into that designation.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said:   

National security is the first duty of any government, we will always take the action needed to protect our democracy and national security against different threats.
Maniacs Murder Cult, Palestine Action and the Russian Imperial Movement have each passed the threshold for proscription based on clear national security evidence and assessments.
The right to protest and the right to free speech are the cornerstone of our democracy and there are countless campaign groups that freely exercise those rights. Violence and serious criminal damage has no place in legitimate protests.

These include attacks at Thales in Glasgow in 2022; and last year at Instro Precision in Kent and Elbit Systems UK in Bristol. The attack on the Thales defence factory in Glasgow, caused over £1 million worth of damage to parts essential for submarines. Staff fled for safety as pyrotechnics and smoke bombs were thrown in evacuation areas. 

Such acts do not represent legitimate acts of protest and the level of seriousness of Palestine Action’s activity has met the test for proscription under the Terrorism Act 2000.  

So they've been looking at them for a while, it's not a knee jerk reaction. So now their actions carry a much sterner charge.

 

[Earlyriser]

In 1982 a group of women protestors from the Peace Camp broke into the Greenham Common Air Base . I cannot recall that Peace Group being banned as a result. I take it as an indication of how oppressive our Govts have become

 

[Metal Biker]

In 1982 a group of women protestors from the Peace Camp broke into the Greenham Common Air Base . I cannot recall that Peace Group being banned as a result. I take it as an indication of how oppressive our Govts have become

You're talking about a time period before 9/11 and 7/7, in which following that event a lot of new laws gave the Government more powers to determine what constitutes a terror group.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It is if the means used are violent as per the definition you cited. The deliberate incitement to violence after the Stockport murders was an attempt to take a tragic but unrelated incident and misrepresent it to stoke violence and harm to a section of the public and influence Govt policy. Reform members and Farage had their fingerprints all over it.

Did they Bob, can you show me the evidence for that statement? Otherwise I will have to assume you have just made that up?

 

[inchy14]

Because you're conflating two different situations. The act on the RAF base alone was not the sole reason for declaring them a terrorist group. It was, shall we say, the 'nudge' that pushed them into that designation.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said:   

So they've been looking at them for a while, it's not a knee jerk reaction. So now their actions carry a much sterner charge.

Don’t agree and they’ve lumped them with those other 2 groups to hide it.

No one had heard of Palestine Action until this stunt, the fact is the government are doing Israel’s bidding in all of this, and the fact so many people are willing to back it instead of criticising them I find unbelievable.

The IDF are the biggest terrorists going, huge army, huge backing and equipment and are indiscriminately killing women and children.

 

[inchy14]

You're talking about a time period before 9/11 and 7/7, in which following that event a lot of new laws gave the Government more powers to determine what constitutes a terror group.

And we were told then that it was going to be like this.

 

[Metal Biker]

Don’t agree

Irrelevant. (As was the rest of your vile diatribe of conspiracy theories.)

 

[Metal Biker]

And we were told then that it was going to be like this.

You're not suggesting that all protest groups that resort to violence have the right to resort to violence, are you? (Which is what PA members have done multiple times)

 

[inchy14]

You're not suggesting that all protest groups that resort to violence have the right to resort to violence, are you? (Which is what PA members have done multiple times)

No I don’t, but they should have a right to protest and if they break the law then be punished accordingly.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Don’t agree and they’ve lumped them with those other 2 groups to hide it.

No one had heard of Palestine Action until this stunt, the fact is the government are doing Israel’s bidding in all of this, and the fact so many people are willing to back it instead of criticising them I find unbelievable.

The IDF are the biggest terrorists going, huge army, huge backing and equipment and are indiscriminately killing women and children.

In 1982 a group of women protestors from the Peace Camp broke into the Greenham Common Air Base . I cannot recall that Peace Group being banned as a result. I take it as an indication of how oppressive our Govts have become

I’m objecting to the term of terrorism we have it wrong they are protesting at the treatment of Palestinians, people protested against the poll tax and at RAF Greenham Common in 1980 when we had protests over Nuclear bombs did we call them terrorist’s, no we locked them up if they broke the law.

We don’t own the plane in question it was owned by a hedge fund, mid-air refuelling Israeli jets ? a hornets nest, the government try to hide there is money in allowing a private jet to land at one of our RAF bases??? Anyone know who is behind the hedge fund ?

 

[Metal Biker]

No I don’t, but they should have a right to protest and if they break the law then be punished accordingly.

Which they did and have.

So what are you complaining about?

 

[Winchester]

In 1982 a group of women protestors from the Peace Camp broke into the Greenham Common Air Base . I cannot recall that Peace Group being banned as a result. I take it as an indication of how oppressive our Govts have

 

[Vic]

In 1982 a group of women protestors from the Peace Camp broke into the Greenham Common Air Base . I cannot recall that Peace Group being banned as a result. I take it as an indication of how oppressive our Govts have become

Palestine Action is not non-violent.

Perhaps if the million people who protested against the Iraq War had not been peaceful, and tried a bit of violence, we might have been spared the violence of war.

 

[inchy14]

Which they did and have.

So what are you complaining about?

I’m complaining about the fact the government decided after this act of vandalism to declare them a terrorist group which they are not, if you can show me who’s being terrorised here maybe you can change my opinion.

We’re going further down a slippery slope here declaring things we don’t agree with as terrorism. Starmer didn’t have an issue with similar protests 30 odd years ago. I wonder what (who) has forced this change of opinion.