Palestine Action

Vic said:
What have you done to stop the genocide?
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If you think that a genocide is happening in Gaza and that the Labour government is complicit in this, as well as wrongly proscribing Palestine Action as a terror group, then why do you choose to go around knocking on doors and canvassing support for this Labour government?

What are you doing to change government policy on these matters? Issues which you complain about on here, day after day?

Are you changing government policy, or supporting it?
 
BobKowalski said:
So people are committing an arrestable offence and the police are inviting them to move on before they are obliged to take action? That alone tells you what the police think of this sorry state of affairs.

The Government created an offence where previously none existed and if they had left well alone we wouldn’t have found ourselves in arresting blind grannies territory. It is beyond dumb. The Govt dug a hole for themselves and their solution is to keep digging. How many have been arrested now in total? 500, 700? And if it gets to a 1,000, 5,000? What then? And all for wearing a fucking T-shirt with the plea to stop slaughtering people?

This nonsense undermines the rule of law, not enhance it.
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They did not get arrested for wearing a T shirt that said "Stop the Genocide" they got arrested for a T shirt saying "I Support Palestine Action". i.e you can wear a fucking T shirt with a plea to stop slaughtering people. You cannot wear a fucking T shirt supporting a proscribed Terrorist organisation. Is that hard to grasp? T shirt with "Stop the Genocide" is ok. T shirt with I support a terrorist organisation not ok.
 
BossHog said:
And you to Israel? Oh wait…..
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Lol soz I am pro Palestine was just trying to demonstrate the point that donating money to the actual people defending their country would be seen as funding 'terrrorism' wasn't an attack on you
 
Brewster's millions said:
If you think that a genocide is happening in Gaza and that the Labour government is complicit in this, as well as wrongly proscribing Palestine Action as a terror group, then why do you choose to go around knocking on doors and canvassing support for this Labour government?

What are you doing to change government policy on these matters? Issues which you complain about on here, day after day?

Are you changing government policy, or supporting it?
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Supporting a Government has never involved blindly agreeing with everything they do. Personally, I support the current stance we are taking given the Israeli Govt’s actions. I do not support the proscribing of Palestine Action. It was premature and they should have been dealt with under existing law. Blind fucking Pew could have seen what would happen by proscribing them.
 
hilts said:
It's a double protest now fella and good luck to them.
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Understood but they know full well they will be arrested if they clearly state and show they support PA.

The government isn’t going to back track on that.

I’m also slightly amused at the concern for 90 year olds and the disabled who not too long ago where rich old fuckers who don’t deserve the WFA and it was only right we tried to help them into meaningful work.

How a few short weeks can change the narrative eh ;-)
 
Palerider said:
100% correct. I'm pretty certain that no one in this country 'supports' every single law but most of us have enough common sense to realise it is not all about me, me, me, me. It is about what is best for the common good and society as a whole. We all have to compromise. For that, we have developed a rules based democracy where every 5 years or so we can, if we want, change government and direction. In between those five years we have the right to PEACEFUL protest to bring our point of view to public attention.
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Yeah, clearly it’s not about me, me, me for people risking their jobs. It’s about the kids being starved to death somewhere. The amount of police drafted in from all over yesterday suns are government up. Forget trying to stop knife crime and other issues irrelevant like it. Stop the tee-shirts and placards
 
RiversideBlue said:
You're missing the point. Too many people in this country no longer take responsibility for their own actions, or indeed for educating themselves before jumping on a bandwagon. They could have marched peacefully, they'd been warned what would happen, they were given the opportunity to leave. They didn't.
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I'd say that protesting and knowing you'll get nicked for it is the definition of 'taking responsibility for their actions'.
 
I thought that Palestinian Action was a banned (illegal) organisation?
They say that truth is the first casualty of war, and I believe that.
The whole thing is a tragedy, unfortunately Hamas are doing nothing to improve the situation.
Israel have tried to broker deals (which have been rejected), then there is the hostage situation and on top of all that there is the way that the Palestinian people view life and death, which is entirely different to how we do.
My advice is for people to think about these things before rallying behind an alien flag.
 
Palerider said:
They did not get arrested for wearing a T shirt that said "Stop the Genocide" they got arrested for a T shirt saying "I Support Palestine Action". i.e you can wear a fucking T shirt with a plea to stop slaughtering people. You cannot wear a fucking T shirt supporting a proscribed Terrorist organisation. Is that hard to grasp? T shirt with "Stop the Genocide" is ok. T shirt with I support a terrorist organisation not ok.
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And as I said earlier, the Govt has made Palestine Action a rallying point and added fuel to the protests. Fundamentally, it was an overreaction and a tactical mistake. And I can guarantee that not everyone arrested yesterday was advocating explicit support for Palestine Action. Protests are never that neat and simple. And isn’t everyone on that protest showing support for Palestine Action? Simply by showing up and attending is support for them. Do we arrest everyone? Do we interpret anyone who protests the slaughter in Gaza as supporting Palestine Action given they share the same goals?

People do not see Palestine Action as a terrorist group which weakens the Government, not just in this case but in future cases. Palestine Action should have been dealt with under existing criminal law and that is where it should have stayed.
 
KS55 said:
You are spectacularly missing the point.
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I’m missing fuck all.

March in support of Palestine. Demand and end to what the IDF is doing. Demonstrate for an end to Netanyahu and his government. Highlight the suffering of the people of Gaza.

Do all that without mentioning PA and no one cares, especially the government and police and it makes the news still.

They can’t because many on the left just can’t help themselves and never will. It’s always more about them than it is any cause.
 
Grassland Blue said:
I thought that Palestinian Action was a banned (illegal) organisation?
They say that truth is the first casualty of war, and I believe that.
The whole thing is a tragedy, unfortunately Hamas are doing nothing to improve the situation.
Israel have tried to broker deals (which have been rejected), then there is the hostage situation and on top of all that there is the way that the Palestinian people view life and death, which is entirely different to how we do.
My advice is for people to think about these things before rallying behind an alien flag.
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If I try to discuss changing your behaviour while hitting you repeatedly with a hammer, it is not really a negotiated settlement.
 
blueinsa said:
I’m missing fuck all.

March in support of Palestine. Demand and end to what the IDF is doing. Demonstrate for an end to Netanyahu and his government. Highlight the suffering of the people of Gaza.

Do all that without mentioning PA and no one cares, especially the government and police and it makes the news still.

They can’t because many on the left just can’t help themselves and never will. It’s always more about them than it is any cause.
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The history of the Middle East conflict thread shows that people do care, and REALLY did care before there was EVER any mention of Palestine Action.
 
Palerider said:
They did not get arrested for wearing a T shirt that said "Stop the Genocide" they got arrested for a T shirt saying "I Support Palestine Action". i.e you can wear a fucking T shirt with a plea to stop slaughtering people. You cannot wear a fucking T shirt supporting a proscribed Terrorist organisation. Is that hard to grasp? T shirt with "Stop the Genocide" is ok. T shirt with I support a terrorist organisation not ok.
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You seem to be deliberately missing the point of the protest.

They are not just protesting what’s happening in Gaza, they are also protesting the proscription of PA as its representative of the governments policy towards Palestine.

We know that the government was advised by their own lawyers that proscribing PA would be very unusual because they are the only group ever proscribed that don’t advocate violence against people (a key facet of terrorism).

We know the government rushed it through and made it impossible to vote against by grouping them with actual violent terrorist organisations.

They’ve been granted an high court appeal where the judge specifically raised free speech concerns because of how broad the governments interpretation has become, and have the backing of mainstream, household name NGO’s like Amnesty International.

You can think PA was right to be banned (although there’s a long list of protest groups in this country now firmly regarded as being on the right side of history who would also have been terrorist organisations under these laws) but To say that these people could have protested for Palestine without supporting PA completely misses what they are protesting. They’re protesting the ban as well as what’s going on because they think the ban is representative of the governments incredibly pro-Israel stance and an attempt to stamp out civil disobedience.
 
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Craig said:
I know you seem to defend Labour to the hilt but i thought you’d see this for the disgrace it is. Obviously if you break the law age is pretty irrelevant. The problem is this law is complete bollocks and disgusting. Impossible to predict what nonsense law these dictators will come up with next and where it will all end.

Farage must be absolutely pissing himself. That clown will end up getting into power and Labour will only have themselves to blame. Quite some achievement to be that inept after taking over from the other mob. Within 12 months they’ve lost left wing and right wing voters and it’s difficult to see what basic plan they have for the country.
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They are very reactive.
Somehow a massive hole has appeared in the national finances, so Reeves budget is being junked even as we speak. A much smaller hole left by the tories (and even that is doubtful) was, apparently, a national disaster so they said.
 
blueinsa said:
I’m missing fuck all.

March in support of Palestine. Demand and end to what the IDF is doing. Demonstrate for an end to Netanyahu and his government. Highlight the suffering of the people of Gaza.

Do all that without mentioning PA and no one cares, especially the government and police and it makes the news still.

They can’t because many on the left just can’t help themselves and never will. It’s always more about them than it is any cause.
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Still missing why the placards support PA. Hint: it’s not to support PA.
 
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