Palestine Action

[bluethrunthru]

Unsurprisingly no charges .... because that would be even more farcical than arresting 100's of people for sitting down holding placards with words on it.

Fuck me Starmer, Cooper and the head of the Met should be so embarrassed by this (obvious) outcome

 

[KS55]

I’m not saying don’t discuss it or suddenly disagree with it or even campaign to change it, I’m just stating the current fact surrounding it and PA’s actions that led to them being proscribed.

Well yes, their actions at Brize Norton were stupid in the extreme and bound to provoke a serious response. Nevertheless, the gov should have used more judgement and not rushed to ludicrous and unnessessary secondary legislation.

 

[Metal Biker]

Well yes, their actions at Brize Norton were stupid in the extreme and bound to provoke a serious response. Nevertheless, the gov should have used more judgement and not rushed to ludicrous and unnessessary secondary legislation.

They didn't. Brize Norton was one of many incidents which caused the government to act. Namely an attack in Glasgow, and an actual assault on people in Newcastle. The leader of the group has publicly stated support of Hamas, a group which has been proclaimed a terrorist group for their views on Jewish people worldwide (not just the Israeli Regime)

Why give support to group which supports a group that calls for the extermination of Jews worldwide?
It's not a kneejerk thing, and there's nothing stopping people organising a separate March for Palestine protest. Continuing to support a group that represents the suffering of Palestinians which ALSO calls for the global extermination of Jewish people? It'd be like saying you want an end to islamaphobia by marching for ISIS. See the problem?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I work for the Met police and haven't been involved in policing the protests, someone from my team worked it yesterday however and has told me that they were under instructions to arrest anybody with a sign mentioning Palestine, not 'Palestine Action', just Palestine. To say this makes me uncomfortable is an under statement

That was definitely the argument a couple of coppers were making in a video posted earlier. I hoped it was just a couple of poorly trained officers doing their job badly. But for comparison, it's basically like someone protesting for Kurdish independence being arrested because they share the same views as the PKK.

It also raises an important point about the whole concept. I accept that it should be illegal to support a terrorist group, but personally, I'd generally associate that with someone supporting them financially or logistically, not some random punter saying they agree with them. It then also raises issues surrounding who gets designated a terrorist group, which can sometimes be a political decision made to appease an ally, and groups committing the same actions in other countries wouldn't be proscribed, because we don't have any political interest in pleasing whoever's currently in charge. If an armed insurgency started in North Korea, for example, the chances of any European country calling them terrorists would be close to zero. Meanwhile, Finland and Sweden suddenly decided that the PKK were a terrorist group when they wanted to join NATO and needed Turkey's vote. Almost as if the decision had absolutely nothing to do with the actual conduct of the organisation in question.

And yet still some people will unquestioningly accept governments' decision on these matters.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

They didn't. Brize Norton was one of many incidents which caused the government to act. Namely an attack in Glasgow, and an actual assault on people in Newcastle. The leader of the group has publicly stated support of Hamas, a group which has been proclaimed a terrorist group for their views on Jewish people worldwide (not just the Israeli Regime)

Still lying I see.

Is this how you operate. Lie and lie and lie, and then when called out disappear for a week and then come back and hope no-one notices the same lies?

 

[Metal Biker]

Still lying I see.

Is this how you operate. Lie and lie and lie, and then when called out disappear for a week and then come back and hope no-one notices the same lies?

Take it up with Yvette Cooper.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Take it up with Yvette Cooper.

I don't have to. Yvette Cooper has never claimed that the leader of Palestine Action supports Hamas. You have. And you're a serial liar, as anyone reading this thread can see.

 

[Metal Biker]

I don't have to. Yvette Cooper has never claimed that the leader of Palestine Action supports Hamas. You have. And you're a serial liar, as anyone reading this thread can see.

Yvette Cooper is the one who pushed to proscribe PA to be a terror organisation based on their actions over the past year. Why you have such a hard-on for this group is beyond me but, I have a sneaking suspicion.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Yvette Cooper is the one who pushed to proscribe PA to be a terror organisation based on their actions over the past year. Why you have such a hard-on for this group is beyond me but, I have a sneaking suspicion.

Yet another response with no evidence, tries to change the subject and deflect. Fucking embarrassing mate. Stop lying and there won't be an issue, but you don't seem to be able to help yourself.

Let's remind you again. "Publicly stated support of Hamas." So public you can't find any publicly available evidence of it.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yet another response with no evidence, tries to change the subject and deflect. Fucking embarrassing mate. Stop lying and there won't be an issue, but you don't seem to be able to help yourself.

Nobody is lying about PA being a proscribed terror organisation, and based on their activites over the past year in the UK, it is hard to argue against.Except for you, who seemingly condones their actions.

I have no issue with those who wish to march and protest peacefully, but these fuckers don't. Your continued support of this group and their actions only raises questions about yourself, IMHO.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Nobody is lying about PA being a proscribed terror organisation, and based on their activites over the past year in the UK, it is hard to argue against.Except for you, who seemingly condones their actions.

I have no issue with those who wish to march and protest peacefully, but these fuckers don't. Your continued support of this group and their actions only raises questions about yourself, IMHO.

Again, another post failing to provide evidence for your lie (for obvious reasons). Is it not embarrassing to go to these lengths to avoid admitting that you just pulled a 'fact' out of your arse?

 

[Metal Biker]

Again, another post failing to provide evidence for your lie (for obvious reasons). Is it not embarrassing to go to these lengths to avoid admitting that you just pulled a fact out of your arse?

You want to discuss it? PM me, no need clogging up the thread with your nonsense. More than happy to do it there.

But you won't because you 'need' an audience.

Edit: PM sent.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

You want to discuss it? PM me, no need clogging up the thread with your nonsense.

No, I'd like you to provide the evidence that she 'publicly supported Hamas' on the thread for everyone to see. It isn't nonsense, it's completely on topic. If you don't have it, then stop repeating the lie.

 

[Metal Biker]

No, I'd like you to provide the evidence that she 'publicly supported Hamas' on the thread for everyone to see. It isn't nonsense, it's completely on topic. If you don't have it, then stop repeating the lie.

You can, on the PM i sent you. I'm not clogging the thread with your known bollocks.

Oh dear...'she'? My dear boy, you've forgotten about the opinions of one far-left activist Richard Barnard.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

You can, on the PM i sent you.

Why do you not want people to see the evidence that you have?

 

[Metal Biker]

Why do you not want people to see the evidence that you have?

Because i'm not clogging the thread. Go to the PM and what's discussed there can be summarised here.

Fair? Why won't you debate one on one?

 

[Craig]

Nobody is lying about PA being a proscribed terror organisation, and based on their activites over the past year in the UK, it is hard to argue against.Except for you, who seemingly condones their actions.

I have no issue with those who wish to march and protest peacefully, but these fuckers don't. Your continued support of this group and their actions only raises questions about yourself, IMHO.

All he’s done is expose you as a liar.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Because i'm not clogging the thread. Go to the PM and what's discussed there can be summarised here.

Fair? Why won't you debate one on one?

I'm not debating, I'm just publicly calling you out on lies. Doesn't make much sense to do that in private, does it?

 

[Metal Biker]

I'm not debating, I'm just publicly calling you out on lies. Doesn't make much sense to do that in private, does it?

You're not calling me out on lies, you're refusing to discuss them away from the thread because you want this perceived idea all PA members are squeaky clean when they aren't.

Richard Barnard was charged last year of showing support for Hamas. He is a co-founder of PA. Am I lying about that?

 

[Metal Biker]

All he’s done is expose you as a liar.

Has he now? Richard Barnard, co-founder of PA, was charged with showing support for Hamas last year, which is a criminal offence. He called for Hamas to kill Israelis. Where's the lie?