There's no charge, even to the guy who's alleged to have hit a policewoman with a sledgehammer, that would negate the right to bail. A section 18 charge (GBH with intent) would make bail unlikely. (s. 18 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861 - or what's left of s.18 after 164 years...)
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So you knew all about this before they went on hunger strike?Hunger strikes are utterly pointless because as soon as it gets to the stage of medical treatment and intervention the state will keep them alive.
hilts
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I'm not sure they were hoping to die tbh.Hunger strikes are utterly pointless because as soon as it gets to the stage of medical treatment and intervention the state will keep them alive.
I'm not sure they were hoping to die tbh.
Agree and I’m certain they knew from the onset that was never going to be a possibility.
hilts
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Taking away anyone's personal opinion its a strange one that a farmer threatening to die early results in a climb down on IHT whereas a protester against genocide does similar and no fucks given by the Labour bigwigs.Agree and I’m certain they knew from the onset that was never going to be a possibility.
Strange times indeed.
Taking away anyone's personal opinion its a strange one that a farmer threatening to die early results in a climb down on IHT whereas a protester against genocide does similar and no fucks given by the Labour bigwigs.
Strange times indeed.
Give it a week and they might change their minds.
They do have form ;-)
I think it's difficult to call what's on anyone's mind that goes to a hunger strike. I'm pretty sure Bobby Sands didn't see death as a defeat.I'm not sure they were hoping to die tbh.
Hunger strikes are utterly pointless because as soon as it gets to the stage of medical treatment and intervention the state will keep them alive.
How does that make them pointless? They’re not trying to kill themselves slowly, they’re protesting to get media attention for their cause, and that’s exactly what they’ve gotten.
hilts
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Obviously I cant say for certain but I think it was a continuation of a protest from inside prison, not just for Gaza but the way the govt is trying to suppress condemnation of its support for the Israeli govt.I think it's difficult to call what's on anyone's mind that goes to a hunger strike. I'm pretty sure Bobby Sands didn't see death as a defeat.
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Eventually the government had to listen and bring peace to N.I. hunger strikes and the dirty protest in the H block played it’s part in that resolution.I think it's difficult to call what's on anyone's mind that goes to a hunger strike. I'm pretty sure Bobby Sands didn't see death as a defeat.
It’s the same with the Palestine Action hunger strike in prison trying to bring about/change the legislation that’s turned them into terrorists
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This is what the hunger strike is about they are protesting about a government that has presided over the destruction of Jaballia refugee camp in Gaza, the IDF prepared to shoot anyone caught trying to go home even children if they overstep the edge of the demarcation line they will be shot.
The government is in the pockets of Netanyahu and Trump American billions helped to kill thousands of Palestinians
If you have relations in Gaza what you going to do this Christmas ? unlikely to party, this so called free country you can’t even protest anymore about the invasion force in Gaza
The police arresting a young lady as a terrorist ? “Take her away” it’s beyond comprehension
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I've already said this. It's very easy to find in the legislation I linked, it's literally in the first paragraph. I don't know which provision the judge applied because I wasn't in the court obviously but quite clearly it is the one regarding the potential to reoffend and this one is very easy to argue.Good grief. You call that "easy to find"? And I'm well used to trawling legislation.
Murder is already an exception to the right to bail. (Section 6ZA).
But you've missed the point - they are the provisions why bail need not be granted. What exactly are the provisions that the judge cited for not granting bail?
And these prisoners have obviously got more restrictions than "a regular convicted prisoner", partly because of the trumped-up "terrorism" aspect.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that these protesters were highly likely to do something again because the whole point of Palestinian Action is serial criminal resistance. It is very likely that they'd get released and go out to reoffend because again they're a protest group whose sole purpose is to protest through criminal action.
Why don't you consider what they actually did and who they are first, maybe then you can put yourself in the judges shoes and understand why bail wasn't granted? It isn't about attacking them for their protest, it's about applying the law to protect the public or even national security from future crimes.
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This is what the hunger strike is about they are protesting about a government that has presided over the destruction of Jaballia refugee camp in Gaza, the IDF prepared to shoot anyone caught trying to go home even children if they overstep the edge of the demarcation line they will be shot.
The government is in the pockets of Netanyahu and Trump American billions helped to kill thousands of Palestinians
If you have relations in Gaza what you going to do this Christmas ? unlikely to party, this so called free country you can’t even protest anymore about the invasion force in Gaza
The police arresting a young lady as a terrorist ? “Take her away” it’s beyond comprehension
The sign says "I support Palestine Action prisoners"..... So do their lawyers....
So, not "quite clearly" because "obviously" you don't actually know.I've already said this. It's very easy to find in the legislation I linked, it's literally in the first paragraph. I don't know which provision the judge applied because I wasn't in the court obviously but quite clearly it is the one regarding the potential to reoffend and this one is very easy to argue.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that these protesters were highly likely to do something again because the whole point of Palestinian Action is serial criminal resistance. It is very likely that they'd get released and go out to reoffend because again they're a protest group whose sole purpose is to protest through criminal action.
Why don't you consider what they actually did and who they are first, maybe then you can put yourself in the judges shoes and understand why bail wasn't granted? It isn't about attacking them for their protest, it's about applying the law to protect victims from their crimes. One victim that you're failing to protect supposedly suffered a fractured spine!
And even the guy that wielded the sledgehammer isn't charged with anything that would exclude the usual right to bail.
Why don't you consider why they are protesting? What are you doing to stop the genocide?
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Please just answer this question. On a scale of 1 to 5 what is the chance of them reoffending? If it was 1 then they would have been granted bail but it's not 1 though is it? It honestly is that simple and again it's literally written in the legislation and a credible argument was obviously made to reject bail in court.So, not "quite clearly" because "obviously" you don't actually know.
And even the guy that wielded the sledgehammer isn't charged with anything that would exclude the usual right to bail.
Why don't you consider why they are protesting? What are you doing to stop the genocide?
It has nothing to do with the crimes. If you were a burglar who said in court I will continue to keep burgling houses until you put me in prison then he would be rejected bail and put in prison too.
Their reasons for protest are irrelevant because the reason for a protest can never justify anarchy or crime. They have an option to protest peacefully but that is not what Palestinian Action was created to do.
Why is the first question relevant? Despite saying it was easy to find out, you are still guessing the reasons why bail was refused.Please just answer this question. On a scale of 1 to 5 what is the chance of them reoffending? If it was 1 then they would have been granted bail but it's not 1 though is it? It honestly is that simple and again it's literally written in the legislation and a credible argument was obviously made to reject bail in court.
It has nothing to do with the crimes. If you were a burglar who said in court I will continue to keep burgling houses until you put me in prison then he would be rejected bail and put in prison too.
Their reasons for protest are irrelevant because the reason for a protest can never justify anarchy or crime. They have an option to protest peacefully but that is not what Palestinian Action was created to do.
#2. Of course it's to do with the alleged crimes. Israel's.
#3. So only peaceful protest is allowed in order to stop a greater crime? (That's the bottom line. The state has tried to hobble juries from acquitting protesters who have resorted to criminal damage and used the defence of preventing greater crimes.)
And you've done nothing, I'm guessing, to protest Israel's genocide.
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