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Pep talk. Chelsea, Bayern, and City
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Todays media reporting that he wants to manage Chelsea ...
bored at work said:Just how good a manager is he? Even Steve Bruce might have done ok with that Barcelona team
Or ours.........................<br /><br />-- Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:25 pm --<br /><br />
yayas trusty right foot said:There is only one choice IMO and that is Mancini..
To improve all we need to do is listen to him...
If we had bought Van Persie, like he wanted we would be well clear at the top
RVP has 3 seasons left in him at the top - and is a depreciating asset. We are doing the right thing in targeting young talent - unfortunately, what we've bought so far isnt good enough................
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Not surprising really. London is a world leading city, it has everything. Manchester will never be at the level of London or Paris, or Barcelona or Berlin or München... and it will be a stumbling block all along the way. Yes, many see past that or just think of it as a certain amount of time at a football club, but some actually want to live in a proper big city.black mamba said:Todays media reporting that he wants to manage Chelsea ...
GaudinoMotors
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Hope he goes to Chelsea and we keep a Premiership winning, proven manager with an incredible record over the last 2 years.
Darling "Pep" might find the going tougher without Messi, Iniesta, Villa, Alves. Pique, Xavi et al.
Darling "Pep" might find the going tougher without Messi, Iniesta, Villa, Alves. Pique, Xavi et al.
bluetonium
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bapi said:How Mancini can say Dortmund have more experience than us?! And all those shits about money?! Just ridiculous!
Because they do I'm afraid. They won the Champions League 15 years ago and have won the German league twice in the past three years. Last year they achieved the most points ever in the German Bundesliga, finishing 8 points above Bayern, and did the double by winning the German cup too. And it's not just recent success - they have been a force ever since the 60s, fading a little bit until the 90s but still in and around European football quite regularity, whilst we were sacking manager after manger trying to avoid relegation and regain the glory of our own 1960s team. Even their club hierarchy contains players who were key to their 90s success and promote an expectation of pride and victory, something we are only just learning about now.
They're usually in the CL draw year on year alongside Munich, which makes them being in pot 4 a complete joke, and when they are not in the CL they usually pop up in the latter stages of the Europa League, or whatever it is called that particular season, winning it a decade ago.
bluetonium
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But they have still had more success, and more chance to get used to the pressures of expectation, than we have. Each year for a good few years, they have been expected to win something, or come very close. That's all very new to us - we had to switch from being labelled mercenaries to actually dealing with success, and it's inevitably going to catch up with us. If we'd beaten real we maybe would have compensated for that with exuberance and desire to win, but unfortunately was not to be. They are more comfortable playing in the Champions League and even Europa League than we are, which is an advantage to them.
Some of their players may be young but, and this is what I am getting at, they are brought up into a club expecting success, and knowing how to deal with that. For us, it's very new, and if we even show a slight sign of failing then the knives are out.
I think what Mancini is getting at is that they know when to attack, when to absorb pressure, how to approach games, what team to name, when we are seemingly constantly on the back foot trying to learn the best approaches that suit us and our team. At Real we did everything perfectly save for the final few minutes, so there is hope for us yet, but we're playing catch up to several teams in terms of European experience.
Anyway, I think we've gone a bit off topic here with talk of Dortmund.
Some of their players may be young but, and this is what I am getting at, they are brought up into a club expecting success, and knowing how to deal with that. For us, it's very new, and if we even show a slight sign of failing then the knives are out.
I think what Mancini is getting at is that they know when to attack, when to absorb pressure, how to approach games, what team to name, when we are seemingly constantly on the back foot trying to learn the best approaches that suit us and our team. At Real we did everything perfectly save for the final few minutes, so there is hope for us yet, but we're playing catch up to several teams in terms of European experience.
Anyway, I think we've gone a bit off topic here with talk of Dortmund.
bluetonium said:bapi said:How Mancini can say Dortmund have more experience than us?! And all those shits about money?! Just ridiculous!
Because they do I'm afraid. They won the Champions League 15 years ago and have won the German league twice in the past three years. Last year they achieved the most points ever in the German Bundesliga, finishing 8 points above Bayern, and did the double by winning the German cup too. And it's not just recent success - they have been a force ever since the 60s, fading a little bit until the 90s but still in and around European football quite regularity, whilst we were sacking manager after manger trying to avoid relegation and regain the glory of our own 1960s team. Even their club hierarchy contains players who were key to their 90s success and promote an expectation of pride and victory, something we are only just learning about now.
They're usually in the CL draw year on year alongside Munich, which makes them being in pot 4 a complete joke, and when they are not in the CL they usually pop up in the latter stages of the Europa League, or whatever it is called that particular season, winning it a decade ago.
Dortmund has been a lower midfield club in the 60s/70s and 80s, one of Germany's top clubs in the 90s and a midfield club from about 2002 to 2009.
(Platz = rank in the Bundesliga - 11. Platz = rank 11)
1999/00 11. Platz
2000/01 3. Platz
2001/02 1. Platz
2002/03 3. Platz
2003/04 6. Platz
2004/05 7. Platz
2005/06 7. Platz
2006/07 9. Platz
2007/08 13. Platz
2008/09 6. Platz
2009/10 5. Platz
2010/11 1. Platz
2011/12 1. Platz
Yes - they have had success in the 90s - and then struggled again.
The club Dortmund has maybe more experience - but not the acting persons in the club because they have not been there in the 90s except from Zorc who has been a player then - the players and the coach have less experience than your players have.
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bored at work said:Just how good a manager is he? Even Steve Bruce might have done ok with that Barcelona team
And that's saying something!
The most funny thing Mancini said is that it's not important how much Ajax players earn or how much they paid to sign them however Mancini's Top4 targets this summer (De Rossi, van Persie, Hazard, Thiago Silva) would cost 140M. And a lot of fans here are always talking about them: "If we'd sign XY...". Again and again. Pathetic.
Hungarian blue
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I am maybe stupid but it seemed like there was no such active topic for Pep (at least I couldn't find any with the search function, except that L'Equipe bullshit linking him to the rags).
Anyway, Boateng is their 14th player who has suffered a muscular injury this season, without suffering it as some serious knock from a contact of another player.
He's one of their best players, and injuries might fuck up (in terms of CL football) their season for the second time in a row under Guardiola. One would wonder that given the fact we had the most distinct injuries in the entire PL (or at least up to december that was the stat), how would such a thing with Pep and City work? You can already see that the demands in England are probably higher than anywhere else in terms of intensity, with Klopp having injured almost half of his team after few months of working together...
We better employ some of those doping gurus he had back in Barcelona. ;-)
Anyway, Boateng is their 14th player who has suffered a muscular injury this season, without suffering it as some serious knock from a contact of another player.
He's one of their best players, and injuries might fuck up (in terms of CL football) their season for the second time in a row under Guardiola. One would wonder that given the fact we had the most distinct injuries in the entire PL (or at least up to december that was the stat), how would such a thing with Pep and City work? You can already see that the demands in England are probably higher than anywhere else in terms of intensity, with Klopp having injured almost half of his team after few months of working together...
We better employ some of those doping gurus he had back in Barcelona. ;-)