I think one point you touch on and that I've noticed is the reaction to our games, and a tendency to put down anything we do.
We won the 1st 10 games on the bounce and the overarching narrative was "Yeah but they've not played anyone yet" - even after we interrupted the Mourinho wankfest going on early doors over there.
Speaking of the derby, we completely and utterly dominated them, should have stuck 4 or 5 past them, but somehow it's been re-written into a close game we were lucky to win.
Arsenal game - we passed them off the pitch, until they were so exhausted they couldn't stick up a fight and we won pretty comfortably.
The Chelsea game, we were on top for 70 minutes, we should have won easily, we butchered 2 open goals, they should have had a man sent off, but a month later that's somehow been replaced with an idea we were roundly and deservedly beaten.
Last week, we won 3-0 and the reports were about us being unconvincing. A 3-0 home win, ruled out as unconvincing because it took an hour to break the parked bus down.
We win 2-1 with 10 men against a team which has already beaten Liverpool and United this season and....all they want to talk about is discipline. Chelsea win by 1 goal last week and it's amazing how resilient they are.
It must get incredibly infuriating to see that play out as someone within the team or as manager.
I have to concur with this view as I see and hear the same things. No player without exception gets away with it - Kun's too lazy, Silva is past it, KDB doesn't tackle enough, Sterling a waste of money, Sane too scared, etc.
All of this combined just makes the atmosphere shite, and transmits to the players and manager.
We used to have a fantastic fan base who would stick with the players and manager through thick and thin (mainly thin). Now, we have way too many whingers who think they are entitled to win every game, and whose first thought is about what time they should make an early dart to miss the traffic (yes that old chestnut - but we are very much the only club that has fans that start to walk out in such large numbers with ten minutes to go, even when the game is finely poised as it was yesterday). But hey woe betide anyone who might actually comment on that, or even ask that the fans get more behind the team.
You're frustrated he's asked for more vocal support.
He's frustrated that the poor atmosphere at the ground is affecting the players and hindering his attempt to make us the best club on the planet.
You've approached this like Guardiola doesn't have a clue about the club, that he's done not even surface level research about the fans and the history of the support.
Is that's likely? No, in fact I'm pretty sure he mentioned going away and reading in depth about the club before joining.
His job is to make us perennial winners, to elevate us to the level of Barcelona and Bayern Munich and he knows better than us what those clubs entail, and how the support or lack of it influences the team, the referee, the game.
I rarely get to games these days so I will never criticise the support of those who go weekly, but I wish people could see that If he wants more from you it's only because he thinks the team needs it, because his only objective is to get this team winning, and that should be every fans singular aim as well.
However instead of answering a rallying cry to instil some confidence in the players and help the team, the general response is "who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
And if you show them no affection when they need it, they'll walk away before their 3 year contract is up and years later you'll realise how stupid you were.
It's not only City either:Leaving early has been going on for at least four decades, its nothing new, however the football itself has improved tremendously.
You're frustrated he's asked for more vocal support.
He's frustrated that the poor atmosphere at the ground is affecting the players and hindering his attempt to make us the best club on the planet.
You've approached this like Guardiola doesn't have a clue about the club, that he's done not even surface level research about the fans and the history of the support.
Is that's likely? No, in fact I'm pretty sure he mentioned going away and reading in depth about the club before joining.
His job is to make us perennial winners, to elevate us to the level of Barcelona and Bayern Munich and he knows better than us what those clubs entail, and how the support or lack of it influences the team, the referee, the game.
I rarely get to games these days so I will never criticise the support of those who go weekly, but I wish people could see that If he wants more from you it's only because he thinks the team needs it, because his only objective is to get this team winning, and that should be every fans singular aim as well.
However instead of answering a rallying cry to instil some confidence in the players and help the team, the general response is "who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
And if you show them no affection when they need it, they'll walk away before their 3 year contract is up and years later you'll realise how stupid you were.
I agree with almost all this, although I did read something that made me think (and it might be better in the atmosphere thread). "If you treat football supporters as customers who are to be milked as much as possible, then why shouldn’t they behave as demanding consumers? If the facilities and infrastructure for the customers are poor, as they are in football grounds relative to other sports and entertainment venues, why shouldn’t people do what’s best for them? Blame the clubs, not the fans."You're frustrated he's asked for more vocal support.
He's frustrated that the poor atmosphere at the ground is affecting the players and hindering his attempt to make us the best club on the planet.
You've approached this like Guardiola doesn't have a clue about the club, that he's done not even surface level research about the fans and the history of the support.
Is that's likely? No, in fact I'm pretty sure he mentioned going away and reading in depth about the club before joining.
His job is to make us perennial winners, to elevate us to the level of Barcelona and Bayern Munich and he knows better than us what those clubs entail, and how the support or lack of it influences the team, the referee, the game.
I rarely get to games these days so I will never criticise the support of those who go weekly, but I wish people could see that If he wants more from you it's only because he thinks the team needs it, because his only objective is to get this team winning, and that should be every fans singular aim as well.
However instead of answering a rallying cry to instil some confidence in the players and help the team, the general response is "who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
And if you show them no affection when they need it, they'll walk away before their 3 year contract is up and years later you'll realise how stupid you were.
Can you give me the probability of a referee influencing a PL game involving MU, Spurs, Chelsea vs a referee in game involving Barcelona playing in Laliga ?
In LaLiga you may be able to guess an outcome ahead because one team is so much stronger than other. Here the farce is some team will win it even playing crap because they are part of select club.
It's not only City either:
“It's normal for Liverpool fans to leave early because traffic and parking around Anfield is horrendous. And it is not a new thing: as far back as the 1970s Tommy Smith used to have a go at early leavers.
Spurs fan Ben says: “At White Hart Lane, the London Overground train after final whistle is basically unusable. If you leave a couple of minutes before the whistle you’re saving yourself an hour wait for a train.”
Arsenal fans have a reputation for doing an early runner, but Gooner Charlie argues: “Sometimes people leave their seats and stand in the concourse at the back of the stands to watch the last couple of minutes so on TV it looks worse than it is.”
Not only football:
NFL fan Richard says: “Once the result is clear, winning or losing, people are out of there. That’s just how it is.”
In baseball, people drift away if the game is not close.
The experience of leaving a match and just hoping to get to the station in one piece is on the decline, so it comes down to logistics and travel problems, both of which can be exacerbated by the unhelpful kick-off times demanded by the Big Football-TV machine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ceptable-to-leave-a-football-match-early.html
You're frustrated he's asked for more vocal support.
He's frustrated that the poor atmosphere at the ground is affecting the players and hindering his attempt to make us the best club on the planet.
You've approached this like Guardiola doesn't have a clue about the club, that he's done not even surface level research about the fans and the history of the support.
Is that's likely? No, in fact I'm pretty sure he mentioned going away and reading in depth about the club before joining.
His job is to make us perennial winners, to elevate us to the level of Barcelona and Bayern Munich and he knows better than us what those clubs entail, and how the support or lack of it influences the team, the referee, the game.
I rarely get to games these days so I will never criticise the support of those who go weekly, but I wish people could see that If he wants more from you it's only because he thinks the team needs it, because his only objective is to get this team winning, and that should be every fans singular aim as well.
However instead of answering a rallying cry to instil some confidence in the players and help the team, the general response is "who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
And if you show them no affection when they need it, they'll walk away before their 3 year contract is up and years later you'll realise how stupid you were.
Spot on. Were lucky to have such a genius at City. I reckon we're going to look back with a lot of regret if we don't change our attitude. Leaving early and sitting apathetic like cardboard cut outs apart from booing the players when they make a stray pass in the first 5 minutes. It's hardly conducive to a happy relationship.
Spot on. Were lucky to have such a genius at City. I reckon we're going to look back with a lot of regret if we don't change our attitude. Leaving early and sitting apathetic like cardboard cut outs apart from booing the players when they make a stray pass in the first 5 minutes. It's hardly conducive to a happy relationship.
Firstly how do you know that he doesn't, do you sit with him? Secondly it's not his fault if other people do not get animated, is it?So,you being such an animated and vocal supporter at our games,why dont you try and get those around you to show a bit more passion?
You're frustrated he's asked for more vocal support.
He's frustrated that the poor atmosphere at the ground is affecting the players and hindering his attempt to make us the best club on the planet.
You've approached this like Guardiola doesn't have a clue about the club, that he's done not even surface level research about the fans and the history of the support.
Is that's likely? No, in fact I'm pretty sure he mentioned going away and reading in depth about the club before joining.
His job is to make us perennial winners, to elevate us to the level of Barcelona and Bayern Munich and he knows better than us what those clubs entail, and how the support or lack of it influences the team, the referee, the game.
I rarely get to games these days so I will never criticise the support of those who go weekly, but I wish people could see that If he wants more from you it's only because he thinks the team needs it, because his only objective is to get this team winning, and that should be every fans singular aim as well.
However instead of answering a rallying cry to instil some confidence in the players and help the team, the general response is "who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
And if you show them no affection when they need it, they'll walk away before their 3 year contract is up and years later you'll realise how stupid you were.
He might well do....but,I'll await the reply of the person i asked.Firstly how do you know that he doesn't, do you sit with him? Secondly it's not his fault if other people do not get animated, is it?
I've never heard anybody booing the players for making a bad pass, especially after five minutes.
I'm sympathetic to Pep's view re fan support, but most English grounds including the likes of Anfield are like morgues, until something sparks them into life. No different at City.
Boos, no, but you must have heard the collective groan from the crowd whenever Stones and Bravo pass to each other under the slightest semblance of pressure.
Not to mention the sarcastic cheering for Bravo whenever he gets the ball in his hands.
You're frustrated he's asked for more vocal support.
He's frustrated that the poor atmosphere at the ground is affecting the players and hindering his attempt to make us the best club on the planet.
You've approached this like Guardiola doesn't have a clue about the club, that he's done not even surface level research about the fans and the history of the support.
Is that's likely? No, in fact I'm pretty sure he mentioned going away and reading in depth about the club before joining.
His job is to make us perennial winners, to elevate us to the level of Barcelona and Bayern Munich and he knows better than us what those clubs entail, and how the support or lack of it influences the team, the referee, the game.
I rarely get to games these days so I will never criticise the support of those who go weekly, but I wish people could see that If he wants more from you it's only because he thinks the team needs it, because his only objective is to get this team winning, and that should be every fans singular aim as well.
However instead of answering a rallying cry to instil some confidence in the players and help the team, the general response is "who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?"
And if you show them no affection when they need it, they'll walk away before their 3 year contract is up and years later you'll realise how stupid you were.
It's a public forum, your snide dig wasn't sent to him on a personal message, was it?He might well do....but,I'll await the reply of the person i asked.