Petition to remove a ridiculous Parliamentary rule

TKSG

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MPs cannot explicitly say, "You are lying," even if it is evident that a statement is false. For example, when former Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced claims of misleading Parliament about the Partygate scandal, MPs were restricted from using direct language to accuse him of lying, even when discrepancies in his statements became public knowledge.
If an MP believes another has deliberately misled Parliament, they cannot accuse them of doing so outright. Instead, they must use indirect language like "the honourable member may have been mistaken," which is quite frankly utter nonsense.
Terms like "liar," "misleading the House," or "deliberate falsehood" are deemed unparliamentary language. In July 2021, Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, was ejected from the House of Commons for accusing Boris Johnson of lying and refusing to withdraw the remark.
Even when evidence exists to prove that an MP's statement is untrue, other MPs cannot bring this to light in a debate without risking censure.

Obv all this is ridiculous so...
My petition:

Amend parliamentary rules to remove the ban on calling out MPs for lying.

Amend parliamentary rules to allow MPs to openly call out false or misleading statements by other MPs without being censured for "unparliamentary language" Implement a system for fact-checking disputed statements in real time, facilitated by an independent parliamentary body.

The current rule prevents accountability and allows MPs to mislead without facing consequences. By repealing this outdated norm, Parliament would demonstrate a commitment to truth and integrity. Real-time fact-checking would discourage dishonesty and restore public confidence in the democratic process.

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/709456/sponsors/new?token=fdiWhvQrsBRqd6E4obN6
 
Of all the things to get your knickers in a twist about.
Politicians who run every fucking thing lying?

No that’s not an issue, it’s the whole fucking issue.
MPs cannot explicitly say, "You are lying," even if it is evident that a statement is false. For example, when former Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced claims of misleading Parliament about the Partygate scandal, MPs were restricted from using direct language to accuse him of lying, even when discrepancies in his statements became public knowledge.
If an MP believes another has deliberately misled Parliament, they cannot accuse them of doing so outright. Instead, they must use indirect language like "the honourable member may have been mistaken," which is quite frankly utter nonsense.
Terms like "liar," "misleading the House," or "deliberate falsehood" are deemed unparliamentary language. In July 2021, Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, was ejected from the House of Commons for accusing Boris Johnson of lying and refusing to withdraw the remark.
Even when evidence exists to prove that an MP's statement is untrue, other MPs cannot bring this to light in a debate without risking censure.

Obv all this is ridiculous so...
My petition:

Amend parliamentary rules to remove the ban on calling out MPs for lying.

Amend parliamentary rules to allow MPs to openly call out false or misleading statements by other MPs without being censured for "unparliamentary language" Implement a system for fact-checking disputed statements in real time, facilitated by an independent parliamentary body.

The current rule prevents accountability and allows MPs to mislead without facing consequences. By repealing this outdated norm, Parliament would demonstrate a commitment to truth and integrity. Real-time fact-checking would discourage dishonesty and restore public confidence in the democratic process.

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/709456/sponsors/new?token=fdiWhvQrsBRqd6E4obN6
Great post.
 
MPs cannot explicitly say, "You are lying," even if it is evident that a statement is false. For example, when former Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced claims of misleading Parliament about the Partygate scandal, MPs were restricted from using direct language to accuse him of lying, even when discrepancies in his statements became public knowledge.
If an MP believes another has deliberately misled Parliament, they cannot accuse them of doing so outright. Instead, they must use indirect language like "the honourable member may have been mistaken," which is quite frankly utter nonsense.
Terms like "liar," "misleading the House," or "deliberate falsehood" are deemed unparliamentary language. In July 2021, Dawn Butler, MP for Brent Central, was ejected from the House of Commons for accusing Boris Johnson of lying and refusing to withdraw the remark.
Even when evidence exists to prove that an MP's statement is untrue, other MPs cannot bring this to light in a debate without risking censure.

Obv all this is ridiculous so...
My petition:

Amend parliamentary rules to remove the ban on calling out MPs for lying.

Amend parliamentary rules to allow MPs to openly call out false or misleading statements by other MPs without being censured for "unparliamentary language" Implement a system for fact-checking disputed statements in real time, facilitated by an independent parliamentary body.

The current rule prevents accountability and allows MPs to mislead without facing consequences. By repealing this outdated norm, Parliament would demonstrate a commitment to truth and integrity. Real-time fact-checking would discourage dishonesty and restore public confidence in the democratic process.

Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/709456/sponsors/new?token=fdiWhvQrsBRqd6E4obN6
Phew! For a second thre I thought you were about to make me day and oppose politicians having the power to publicly trade on the stocks of company they oversee. An act that would be considered insider trading if anyone else does it but the politicians in Congress...

But I suppose being able to call someone a liar is also nice,:)

That said, the way I see it so long as you are allowed to say:
"Mr.A, you told us X, but the evidence here shows rhat this is Y. Can you explain yourself? You've in essence called the person a liar barring a convincing explanation for why they said what they said.

Furthermore, if it's okay to call anyone a liar, more people are likely to abuse it even in cases where they in fact can't prove its a lie. Calling people 'liars' then simply becomes a tool for smearing those you disagree with.

So in conclusion, while I sympathize with your petition ( especially as someone with no skin in the game) I can philosophically understand why such rules were instituted in the first place.
 

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