PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I understand your point but this has gone on far too long and IF we 'settle" people will always say we are guilty and our image and that of our owner tarnished.

This is one we have to win, the only issue is the uncooperative part which I would imagine we could well be found guilty on, but the serious charges have to be ruled in our favor in my opinion.

I don't think our owners give a shit about people thinking we are guilty, if we've officially been cleared. Again, we're not Prince Andrew in this, it doesn't really matter what people think. If we're cleared officially then the sponsors and investment continues to roll in. We wouldn't settle without a statement confirming our innocence, probably something confirming we've "settled" on the non-cooperation charge but the PL found no evidence against the other charges. A technical matter. Move on.

However, the talk of settling this case has just come up on TS as a potential resolution. There's no evidence behind that as far as I'm aware.

Jordan (****) does have a point in that if we have irrefutable evidence, why would we settle? But if it speeds things up and lets us crack on with business we might, but we'd have some pretty strong terms. Probably something like, don't bring charges against us ever again!
 
I think Jordan had the upper hand in that debate today sadly. Whether what he was saying was right or wrong, he shouted out enough for the haters to have more ammo to throw at us.

Anyway, the main summary of today is that the cease and resist letters story seems to have been fake news
I think Stefan has said from the start that he has no inside knowledge of any letters being sent .
 
I can guarantee the comments on the YouTube will be that I was biased for City so Gorton's attacks are his prerogative. A bit weird. But his prerogative.
I just wish White would tell Jordan's smirking face to button it when he constantly tries to talk over you. Keep up the good work, everyone except one person appreciates what you are doing.
 
Am I the least popular poster on this forum today :-)
I think you were a bit harsh on Stefan. I think he did ok. The argument about legal fees is a sideshow and I don't think Jordan made any other significant points today. In fact Jordan's position on City has notably softened in recent months and I think some of that is down to Stefan and his more measured approach.
 
You know that's not true.

Everytime we have to explain about 'time barred' and 'armies of lawyers' and 'state owned' and '115 charges' etc. to a workmate or rival fan it becomes a little bit more difficult when we've just lost the latest round of the PR battle.
This is why you are wrong.

1. The majority of the discussion related to Jordan's view that City have more resources to throw at its legal team than the PL. That is a longhand way of saying City will win because they have the better lawyers.

2. That discussion is in itself a very long way from previous discussions, to the effect that City are/must be guilty. It is, in effect, Jordan setting himself up for the later argument that City only won because they had the best lawyers. Not even that City had a case to answer, nothing about what was said at CAS, nothing. That is definitely much more than a step in the right direction.

Do you see what I mean? The discussion has stopped being 'why City are guilty', it has started being 'why City are going to win.'

That's a huge PR win in itself.

3. There is always going to be an element, I'd imagine a pretty large element, of football's fan base that will regard us as being guilty whatever the outcome. Look at what happened at CAS, and how a resounding victory got twisted into 'they only won because the charges were all time-barred.' If you are expecting this section of the footballing world to adopt a fair and reasonable view of City and this case, you are waiting for hell to freeze over.

4. Jordan did make one excellent point, which is that City's case is not just about accounting breaches in a single year, it is about widescale allegations of fraud of the most serious nature, being aimed against some players with very very high reputations. Of course they are not going to skimp on legal fees when it comes to defending themselves. If nothing else, think of the cost to the club if they were relegated even to the Championship and neither had PL TV rights nor (down the line) Champions league income to rely on. The potential financial consequence could quite easily run into hundreds of millions of pounds. In what world are they going to NOT going to take on board the highest quality representation?

5. The reason I make this point is that during the discussion on TS, two issues got conflated: (a) whether it was 'fair' that City are able to throw more money at lawyers than the PL - as to which see 4 above - and (b) whether the outcome, assuming it goes City's way, reflects that and nothing more. These are two separate points which need to be seen separately. As to the first, as I've said, the whole club's reputation is on the line. Anyone bringing such serious charges against City should really have considered what response the club was likely to adopt if they did. It can't be said it was in any way unforeseeable that we would send in the heavyweights. As to the second, that's just uneducated rubbish. If the case is strong enough, the best most expensive team will not get you out of trouble, nor can the best most expensive team win a case that is doomed to fail. You spend what City have spent to ensure that there are no stones unturned, so ensure that you are able to consider all the possible arguments, and conduct proper reviews of all the evidence, which in a case like this will be mountainous. What City's team will have done is explain the very serious legal hurdles the PL need to overcome, and assess the evidence on which the PL intend to rely with a view to advising what the likely outcome is. If the PL have not done the same, more fool them for taking on a task without a proper appreciation of what is really involved.

If the PL have brought a knife to a gunfight, that's on them.
 
I've had a quick listen back to the City section. Don't think I'd say anything different. Not really sure what Gorton's issue is - most likely stylistic (tough) or a lack of understanding (try to read more on the topic).
Here is the City section (along with grimace):

It feels like every time this conversation happens on radio or tv it needs to be prefixed with

1. You can't compare a team claiming innocence (city) and a team who have accepted guilt (everton), Just because the guilty team aren't happy with the outcome of their own points deduction.

2. You can't be upset that a club who believe they are innocent are using all resources (lawyers) at their disposal to prove their innocence.

With regards to the section on talksh!te today, it played out exactly as you would expect because these interviewers like most in society today are not listening they are just waiting (and sometimes not waiting) for their turn to speak. a phrase comes to mind "what have you achieved by besting a fool".
 
I just wish White would tell Jordan's smirking face to button it when he constantly tries to talk over you. Keep up the good work, everyone except one person appreciates what you are doing.
Haha as if.
Jim has his head well and truly up the orange wankstains ring piece.
He sits there giggling like a little schoolgirl.
 
Disagree, for once he had the upper hand, if you have irrefutable proof you don't settle.
It depends on the settlement. If the PL withdrew all their allegations as part of a settlement and we chose not to rub their noses in it that might be a good result. We may have irrefutable proof but it could take years going through legal battles just to make our point and whatever the result we will never win over our enemies.
 

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