Sibierskii
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So who’s this TwoHats fella on twatter? Almost as deranged as Harris.
Always thought they were massacred on St Brices day man , woman & child when they thought they had a settled peace. Lesson to be learned there.They assimilated into the English gene pool. Not a great analogy!
I would urge all Blues to set aside 30 minutes and read the entire article. Excellent information, great to learn about city finance and City finance. Thanks for putting this together.Hopefully this will cheer you all up!
I have done some analysis of the PSR case based on the information provided by Rui Pinto and Der Speigel, here:
Manchester City's Cozy Ties to Abu Dhabi: Sponsorship Money – Paid for by the State
Since the sanctions imposed on Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich, links between English football clubs and authoritarian states have been in the spotlight. Internal documents show that Manchester City has received funding from a government agency in Abu Dhabi.www.spiegel.de
Der Spiegel released the above information two months after City were charged, with the aim of driving the nail in the coffin, but their evidence really sucks and their analysis of it is just naive.
Firstly from reading the PDFs of the documents they share to download (RM.pdf, ADUG,pdf and FFP.pdf), I am pretty certain City haven't actually done anything wrong and should be cleared of all charges.
Allegation 1 is complicated to understand, but the evidence doesn't match what they are claiming at all and it just doesn't add up. A more logical explanation is the one I put forward. I might be wrong about this, but it makes sense to me, you might need to be an accountant to follow the argument though.
The other points I make should be a lot easier to follow.
I've done a worst case PSR calculation (Allegation 4), by going through City's accounts and adding it all up, and concluded that the sums would be:
2013-2016: -£108,113,000
2014-2017: -£75,263,000
2015-2018: -£66,157,000
The limit is -£105,000,000
In other words a minor breach of PSR in the first period of £3million (c.f. Everton £19m & Forest £30m).
Remember, this is if we have done everything they have accused us of and our combined sponsorship deals are re-valued at the Thomas Cook rate (£2m) that we had way back before the Eithad deal. Valuing the deals at say £3.1m or higher means City don't break PSR at all.
How could the Premier League have got this so wrong? Well, we know they rushed it all through, and I don't think they considered that City can adjust their earnings (AEBT) by the depreciation on the building of the Etihad Campus. This completely destroys their case.
Summary: Overview of the Allegations
The Flawed Case Against Manchester City: - Man City Stuff
A Deep Dive into Der Spiegel's Misguided Allegations On April 7th, 2022, Der Spiegel published an article aimed at substantiating the claims against Manchester City, drawing on a collection of redacted emails and scanned documents as their primary evidence. However, after closely examining the...mancitystuff.co.uk
Allegation 1 Analysis : Inflated Sponsorship
Allegation 1 – Inflated Sponsorship Deals Paid for by ADUG - Man City Stuff
Part 1 - Financial Issues This section references the downloadable files found on this article at Der Spiegel - HERE In the complex and secretive world of football finance, discerning truth from manipulation is no easy task. The case surrounding Manchester City and the emails leaked by Rui...mancitystuff.co.uk
Allegation 2 Analysis : Mancini and Toure
Allegation 2 – Mancini and Toure - Man City Stuff
This section references the downloadable files found on this article at Der Spiegel – HERE Preamble In the murky world of leaked documents and high-stakes legal battles, it's hard to discern what's authentic and what isn't. UEFA, in its case before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS)...mancitystuff.co.uk
Allegation 3 Analysis : FFP - The Own Goal
Allegation 3 – The Own Goal – City Breached UEFA FFP - Man City Stuff
In the intricate landscape of football regulations, one of the key charges against Manchester City revolves around the allegations made by the Premier League is that the club breached UEFA’s Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules for three consecutive seasons. However, this charge by the Premier League...mancitystuff.co.uk
Allegation 4 Analysis : It simply doesn't add up
Manchester City Allegation 4 – Analysis - Man City Stuff
A proper look at how the numbers add up. In the intricate web of football finance, where numbers and figures can often be as slippery as the pitches the players compete on, the case against Manchester City and the financial practices under scrutiny require a deep dive into the club's financials...mancitystuff.co.uk
I've also got a video that I have put together showing how the Premier League have altered their statement on 06 feb 2023 multple times since and a few other points about this. I need time to finish them off. I will rpeort back when they are live!
Ignore him. I’ve blocked him. Talks utter bollocksSo who’s this TwoHats fella on twatter? Almost as deranged as Harris.
The core allegation was that Etihad only directly contributed £8m, while the rest came from somewhere else. UEFA claimed it was from ADUG, therefore should be treated as equity investment. City & Etihad denied that, and presented evidence at CAS that this additional money had come from central Abu Dhabi funds, for marketing purposes, which CAS accepted as the truth.All the reported values are £40m for Etihad and £10m for Etisalat deals.
There are various alleged payments from ADUG for £67m, £90m etc but if true without seeing what money went from City to ADUG it's impossible to draw any conclusions. I get the impression City leant ADUG money to invest and these are repayments.
That's because it is Harris.So who’s this TwoHats fella on twatter? Almost as deranged as Harris.
Perhaps it is the guy who was previously known as MagicHat. He was outed as being Harris, allegedly, and then it all went quiet.So who’s this TwoHats fella on twatter? Almost as deranged as Harris.
Oh yeah. He was MagicHat, not TwoHats.Perhaps it is the guy who was previously known as MagicHat. He was outed as being Harris, allegedly, and then it all went quiet.
All the reported values are £40m for Etihad and £10m for Etisalat deals.
There are various alleged payments from ADUG for £67m, £90m etc but if true without seeing what money went from City to ADUG it's impossible to draw any conclusions. I get the impression City leant ADUG money to invest and these are repayments.
Again, there's no real evidence that it was anything but localised and certainly not widespread as people assume. But we're drifting off topic.They assimilated into the English gene pool. Not a great analogy!