PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Gorton_Tubster]

I think we will be seeing lots of shit coming out such as this:

Why do you think that?

 

[cheekybids]

I do hope we had something to do with this leaking.

Just wait for the stories that the Telegraph have up their sleeve…

I imagine Ducker to go full David Conn.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

They’ll be worried about the Barclays Asia Trophy win from 2009 being taken off them I bet.

They’d have to find someone who knows where the trophy room is.
(if there is one)

 

[halfcenturyup]

In our circumstance we can only be charged for breaking FFP if they find us guilty of fraudulent accounting.

Our accounts have been ratified and passed FFP. We can only be found guilty of FFP failure if we have lied about the figures which would be fraudulent accounting.

The Etisalat contract was deemed perfectly fine by CAS, who gave their verdict on it anyway despite elements being time-barred. Can't see an independent commission overruling the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

It's true that if they can't prove fraud, almost everything we know about is time-barred.

Edit: Or maybe not. :)

 

[Moss Side's Finest]

I'd also love to know, if the UEFA time barred items relating to us are not time barred for the PL, does that now mean that any finances from any era in the english top flight are now fair game for investigation? If so, I can hear the petrol cans being opened and matches striking at the swamp and the rat pit already. Those mutha fuckas were writing their own rules and balance sheets for years

 

[dario2739]

I'd also love to know, if the UEFA time barred items relating to us are not time barred for the PL, does that now mean that any finances from any era in the english top flight are now fair game for investigation? If so, I can hear the petrol cans being opened and matches striking at the swamp and the rat pit already. Those mutha fuckas were writing their own rules and balance sheets for years

I think they've already done that... I just hope we got what we needed first ;)

 

[MCFC1993]

I'd also love to know, if the UEFA time barred items relating to us are not time barred for the PL, does that now mean that any finances from any era in the english top flight are now fair game for investigation? If so, I can hear the petrol cans being opened and matches striking at the swamp and the rat pit already. Those mutha fuckas were writing their own rules and balance sheets for years

Initial reports from overly giddy journalists when the charges were announced was that the Premier League rules state there is no time bar.

I believe premier league rules do mention something about following English law to some extent.

More up-to-date thinking is that the independent commission will comply with English law's 6 year time bar.

Otherwise as you say, it could get ridiculous.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I think we will be seeing lots of shit coming out such as this:

What a pathetic story. I would think all 92 league clubs have done deals with dodgy agents and probably since football started in the Victorian era. If the PL want to go back to 2008 for things like this (or Mancini's payments) they will need to apply the rules to all clubs evenly, get thousands of new staff, and put J Edgar Hoover in charge.

 

[Big Dave Watson]

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Revealed: Spurs and Defoe appeared to break agent rules – but FA did nothing

The FA has said it is prepared to review evidence of potentially serious breaches of agent rules in a transfer involving Tottenham Hotspur, Portsmouth and Jermain Defoe

www.thetimes.co.uk

Just leaving this here.

Really surprised to see Arry the Chancer involved ;)

 

[halfcenturyup]

@Prestwich_Blue

One of the charges against us for 2009/10 is for rule C.80, shown below. Do you know if this is an actual charge, or is it one of the original hastily formulated charges that were subsequently corrected, albeit this one still remains an active charge?

I think the handbook changed after the start of that season, the first edition refers to C75 about UEFA regulations, it was changed to C80 in the second edition.

 

[horlock_was_super]

They’d have to find someone who knows where the trophy room is.
(if there is one)

As soon as they win something (ha ha ha) they'll move the Wensleydale to accommodate it.

 

[horlock_was_super]

I'd also love to know, if the UEFA time barred items relating to us are not time barred for the PL, does that now mean that any finances from any era in the english top flight are now fair game for investigation? If so, I can hear the petrol cans being opened and matches striking at the swamp and the rat pit already. Those mutha fuckas were writing their own rules and balance sheets for years

Thank fook the Charlton game was in the old second division then!
Swales' finest accounting hour ever that one!

 

[lancs blue]

Really surprised to see Arry the Chancer involved ;)

Was 'Arry's dog the unlicensed agent?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Precedent set for previous clubs doing this - 10 point deduction.
The purge continues.

This whole issue is a bit like football's version of McCarthyism. I think it is a form of mass hysteria fuelled by an increasingly desparate and dishonest media. People have taken leave of their senses. If you investigated any organisation going back 15 years you would find examples of dodgy behaviour. That would include all charities and especially all religious organisations. We live in a world where more than 90 per cent of serious criminals, including rapists, escape justice because there are no resources to tackle them but we are supposed to get upset about Jermain Defoe's agent getting a payment without having an agent's licence.

McCarthyism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[lancs blue]

What a pathetic story. I would think all 92 league clubs have done deals with dodgy agents and probably since football started in the Victorian era. If the PL want to go back to 2008 for things like this (or Mancini's payments) they will need to apply the rules to all clubs evenly, get thousands of new staff, and put J Edgar Hoover in charge.

I'd be more worried about them going back to our accounts under Swales than the current fiasco.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

What is to stop clubs having another vote on Prem FFP?

I understand why Utd,Liverpool,Arsenal and to extent Chelsea voted in favour but why did any of the lesser clubs??

Crazy the likes of WHU,Everton and Newcastle voted in favour of FFP, chances of sustained success without a rich owner..practically zero

A rich investor would also have been more likely to invest in the smaller Prem clubs with no financial constraints in place.....The owners that voted for FFP devalued their clubs in the process

Use Blackburn as an example, would Jack Walker have even bothered trying if FFP was in place?

They all voted for it because it has NEVER been a league of equals, no matter what is reported. The reason Burnley and the rest of the ‘smaller’ teams, make money in the PL is on the back of all the TV monies. Nothing more and nothing less. If the major players can keep threatening to take away their major income stream, why wouldn’t they conform. It’s what the top 3, then 4, then 5 and now top 6 will continue to do. Why do you think they were so against the Super League? Not for any sporting reasons but for self preservation. Fact is, if the red shirts, Spuds, City, Chelsea and Newcastle sloped off, the PL rights deal suddenly becomes worth the same as the championship and they all know it. It doesn’t mean it’s right but it does explain the motivation to support the original ’Big 3‘ who, after all, blew up the Football League to start the Premier League….

 

[horlock_was_super]

I'd be more worried about them going back to our accounts under Swales than the current fiasco.

At least we've already been done for the Billy Meredith and Co scandal - or could these also be exempt from being time barred?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Precedent set for previous clubs doing this - 10 point deduction.
The purge continues.

“Shouldn't be time barred“, they say. Well…….

Wait until they find out about Liverpool and Utd match fixing in 1915. Without that, the rags would likely have been relegated and who knows where they may have ended up. Many players made money form betting on the outcome of the match as well. Not only that ut there is a lot of speculation that the chairman of the ’classy club’ Arsenal, not only knew about it but leveraged it to get promoted to division 1 after finishing 5th in division 2!

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Why do you think that?

I'd like to think City are connected. If there's any dirt out there that we know about (and we probably do) we will be more inclined than ever to use.

 

[Project1]

What is to stop clubs having another vote on Prem FFP?

I understand why Utd,Liverpool,Arsenal and to extent Chelsea voted in favour but why did any of the lesser clubs??

Crazy the likes of WHU,Everton and Newcastle voted in favour of FFP, chances of sustained success without a rich owner..practically zero

A rich investor would also have been more likely to invest in the smaller Prem clubs with no financial constraints in place.....The owners that voted for FFP devalued their clubs in the process

Use Blackburn as an example, would Jack Walker have even bothered trying if FFP was in place?

I think of a lot of the owners used it to protect themselves. By that I mean by using the guise of FFP it saved them spending their own money in investing in the club.
When Fans are screaming for new players and ground development they can hide behind we can not spend it because of FFP.
In a way a brilliant idea to protect the so called elite and those owners that hate spending their own Money. Liverpool owners being a classic example of that.