Player Topic: Vincent Kompany (2015/16)

[TFC]

I did chuckle earlier when I read Vinny's missus had tweeted something about good news for next week (the baby coming) only to be barraged by City fans asking if she was ITK on transfers XD

 

[ninjamonkey]

Have you not noticed a correlation between Kompany's form and the way the team is set up?

Playing deep and having a tight midfield in front of him = world class

Playing an absurdly high line with a midfield that doesn't pressure the ball = reckless idiot

Kompany last season kept coming charging out trying to win the ball early, do you think he's just decided that? Of course not. He's being instructed to play higher and more aggressive. And when he sees that Fernandinho was the only midfielder putting any kind of pressure on the ball, he presses even higher, which inevitably leads to mistakes.

Very few defenders look good playing a high line. Remember Chelsea under AVB? High line, John Terry was an absolute embarrassment, people were calling for him to retire. Last season under Mourinho, he was playing deep, defending his 18 yard box and he was the best defender in the league.

Same reason Nastasic looked like the next Paulo Maldini in 2012/13 and the season after when we switched to a high line, he looked like the next Steve Redmond.

The only way you can play a high line is if you've got midfielders who have high energy who put pressure on the ball to win it back high up the pitch. That is the Barca model, and the one we are seemingly following. However playing a 442 with Yaya and Fernando, there is no pressing the ball whatsoever, so playing them two with a high line is just a disaster waiting to happen. West Ham away being a prime example.

If we switch to a 433 or 451 variation next season, which seems likely, the extra body in midfield will allow us to compete more in the middle and not get as overran as last season. I'm convinced you'll see a much improved defense and a much improved Vinny because of it.

Fantastic post. This is spot on in my eyes. I know it's a Kompany thread but i'd like to add, I think Delph could have a big impact on not just Vinny but the entire team as a defensive unit. His energy, especially if he's paired with Dinho will give us a lot more cover in midfield out of posession which should result in Kompany being sucked into midfield and played around and in behind much less often and should allow for him to return to the defender he was 2 seasons ago when he could smell danger and make sure he was there before the opposition even got a glance at Hart.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Fantastic post. This is spot on in my eyes. I know it's a Kompany thread but i'd like to add, I think Delph could have a big impact on not just Vinny but the entire team as a defensive unit. His energy, especially if he's paired with Dinho will give us a lot more cover in midfield out of posession which should result in Kompany being sucked into midfield and played around and in behind much less often and should allow for him to return to the defender he was 2 seasons ago when he could smell danger and make sure he was there before the opposition even got a glance at Hart.

Totally agree mate. People see us defending badly and this it must be the defences fault. If you analyse us last season, the problems stemmed from centre midfield. Delph will be a great addition, I think people are going to be surprised by how many games he plays. I expect him to be an important player for us.

 

[franksinatra]

Totally agree mate. People see us defending badly and this it must be the defences fault. If you analyse us last season, the problems stemmed from centre midfield. Delph will be a great addition, I think people are going to be surprised by how many games he plays. I expect him to be an important player for us.

I also agree with that although I would say some of Kompanys mistakes were also poor judgement on his part. Whetehr that loss of form and uncharacteristic mistakes were symptomatic of the system we played or Kompanys own form I do not know. In relation to game time for Delph surely the same argument could have been made for Milner to play a lot more games in his favoured central midfield role last year based on his energy and fitness levels? I personally think the move to 4-2-3-1 next year could possibly limits Delph role as by losing a striker Pellergrini will be more inclined to play an offensive three behind with Yaya and a holding midfielder providing the defensive shield

 

[Dax777]

Have you not noticed a correlation between Kompany's form and the way the team is set up?

Playing deep and having a tight midfield in front of him = world class

Playing an absurdly high line with a midfield that doesn't pressure the ball = reckless idiot

Kompany last season kept coming charging out trying to win the ball early, do you think he's just decided that? Of course not. He's being instructed to play higher and more aggressive. And when he sees that Fernandinho was the only midfielder putting any kind of pressure on the ball, he presses even higher, which inevitably leads to mistakes.

Very few defenders look good playing a high line. Remember Chelsea under AVB? High l

Totally agree mate. People see us defending badly and this it must be the defences fault. If you analyse us last season, the problems stemmed from centre midfield. Delph will be a great addition, I think people are going to be surprised by how many games he plays. I expect him to be an important player for us.

This is all nice and good.

But I gave to admit, anytime the discussion of Kompany comes up folks find ways to blame everyone and everything around other than Kompany. It the coach, its the system, its his shit partners, his not healthy, its the cover less midfield, its Lazy Yaya, its sluggish Fernando.

On and on and on the reasons pile up, sure we are not as good defensively as we once were under Mancini, and a high line is tough to play in. But all that doesn't explain why clearly inferior compatriots in Demi and Mang tend to do significantly better than Company - You know, playing in the same shit system with shit cover and under the same shit defensive coach. And they too get injured, come back from injury and perform better.

Simply put Kompany has not been preforming. Yes all those factors that folks allude to, does contribute to a less sturdy defense. But Kompany performances have been poor, even when you make allowance for the expected disarray from The above known "other" problems. He simply has been poor.

Hope he gets back to form, but its high time folks stop blaming everyone else for Komps being poor.

 

[Phil1]

This is all nice and good.

But I gave to admit, anytime the discussion of Kompany comes up folks find ways to blame everyone and everything around other than Kompany. It the coach, its the system, its his shit partners, his not healthy, its the cover less midfield, its Lazy Yaya, its sluggish Fernando.

On and on and on the reasons pile up, sure we are not as good defensively as we once were under Mancini, and a high line is tough to play in. But all that doesn't explain why clearly inferior compatriots in Demi and Mang tend to do significantly better than Company - You know, playing in the same shit system with shit cover and under the same shit defensive coach. And they too get injured, come back from injury and perform better.

Simply put Kompany has not been preforming. Yes all those factors that folks allude to, does contribute to a less sturdy defense. But Kompany performances have been poor, even when you make allowance for the expected disarray from The above known "other" problems. He simply has been poor.

Hope he gets back to form, but its high time folks stop blaming everyone else for Komps being poor.

Maybe the reasons people point out the mitigating circumstances is because that's exactly what they are. I defend him because he's got more than enough credit in the bank and his loss of form is greatly exaggerated by some on here. That's not to say he hasn't been his best, but the people writing him off are fucking 10 times worse than the ones willing to give him some leeway.

 

[Shaelumstash]

This is all nice and good.

But I gave to admit, anytime the discussion of Kompany comes up folks find ways to blame everyone and everything around other than Kompany. It the coach, its the system, its his shit partners, his not healthy, its the cover less midfield, its Lazy Yaya, its sluggish Fernando.

On and on and on the reasons pile up, sure we are not as good defensively as we once were under Mancini, and a high line is tough to play in. But all that doesn't explain why clearly inferior compatriots in Demi and Mang tend to do significantly better than Company - You know, playing in the same shit system with shit cover and under the same shit defensive coach. And they too get injured, come back from injury and perform better.

Simply put Kompany has not been preforming. Yes all those factors that folks allude to, does contribute to a less sturdy defense. But Kompany performances have been poor, even when you make allowance for the expected disarray from The above known "other" problems. He simply has been poor.

Hope he gets back to form, but its high time folks stop blaming everyone else for Komps being poor.

Good post mate, it's fair an balanced. I do think the set up of the team has made a massive contribution to Vinny's drop in form. But you're right that it hasn't been the only factor, and he needs to take some responsibility for his dip as well.

He seems determined to back fit and strong this season and if he can reproduce his form from years past we've got a great chance of winning the league.

 

[ninjamonkey]

This is all nice and good.

But I gave to admit, anytime the discussion of Kompany comes up folks find ways to blame everyone and everything around other than Kompany. It the coach, its the system, its his shit partners, his not healthy, its the cover less midfield, its Lazy Yaya, its sluggish Fernando.

On and on and on the reasons pile up, sure we are not as good defensively as we once were under Mancini, and a high line is tough to play in. But all that doesn't explain why clearly inferior compatriots in Demi and Mang tend to do significantly better than Company - You know, playing in the same shit system with shit cover and under the same shit defensive coach. And they too get injured, come back from injury and perform better.

Simply put Kompany has not been preforming. Yes all those factors that folks allude to, does contribute to a less sturdy defense. But Kompany performances have been poor, even when you make allowance for the expected disarray from The above known "other" problems. He simply has been poor.

Hope he gets back to form, but its high time folks stop blaming everyone else for Komps being poor.

I think what you're saying is reasonable. Kompany certainly wasn't blameless last season, he made a lot of individual errors and suffered from poor judgement but i think a lot of those errors were because of the system we played and because it doesn't lend itself well to Kompany's natural game.

Kompany, even when he was considered the world best defender was still a defender that took risks, risks that many would deem unnecessary, made tackles where others wouldn't and sometimes got caught out but it was far less noticeable and far less costly in the old system because the team was more compact and there was always somebody to drop in from midfield and cover Kompany when he decided to try and nick the ball higher up the pitch. So if he didn't win the ball, we wasn't left completely exposed and he had enough time and enough pace to get back into position.

Demi in particular adapted better to the new high line because he's not really a front foot defender like Kompany is and as a result he's far less likely to be caught out. (and as it turns out he's an absolute master at playing forwards offside) He prefers to take a step back instead of forward, which is not a criticism of him, it's something i believe you need for balance and demi's lack of pace wouldn't allow him to try and play on the front foot anyway.

 

[The_Maverick]

Richard Dunne is available....

 

[Damocles]