Players' reputations if they continue to be out fought

[Didsbury Dave]

Noticed a lot of Mancini type occurrences..a lot of the match we would be on the break and when we got to around our opponents 18 yard line we slowed down almost as if we purposely let them run back to set up the bus..almost like we helped them do it

Yep. The game was an exact replica of many games last season. Not enough tempo or positive passing, and everyone waiting for someone else to open the defence. Yaya and nasri were just giving it to each other and in the end we resorted to trying to use the wide areas. Which is fine, as long as you do it well. Zab isn't going to do it, and if he keeps running into navas's space neither is he. Nasri can't overlap and kolorov is far too hit and miss.

What was annoying about this game is that, without silva in the team, yet again we couldn't do what we do best: pass our way through teams.

The biggest reason we lost that game was David Silva's absence. We have no one to make us tick without him and that was badly compounded with fernandinho's absence.

We lost the game for football reasons rather than Fight, bottle, winning mentality, whatever you want to call it.

 

[citymad]

Noticed a lot of Mancini type occurrences..a lot of the match we would be on the break and when we got to around our opponents 18 yard line we slowed down almost as if we purposely let them run back to set up the bus..almost like we helped them do it

Yep. The game was an exact replica of many games last season. Not enough tempo or positive passing, and everyone waiting for someone else to open the defence. Yaya and nasri were just giving it to each other and in the end we resorted to trying to use the wide areas. Which is fine, as long as you do it well. Zab isn't going to do it, and if he keeps running into navas's space neither is he. Nasri can't overlap and kolorov is far too hit and miss.

What was annoying about this game is that, without silva in the team, yet again we couldn't do what we do best: pass our way through teams.

The biggest reason we lost that game was David Silva's absence. We have no one to make us tick without him and that was badly compounded with fernandinho's absence.

We lost the game for football reasons rather than Fight, bottle, winning mentality, whatever you want to call it.

Not true we lost because we were missing joe, vinny, Merlin, ferdandinho, clichy and nasty. That's half of our strongest team. Still, it was very disappointing that the guys stepping in didn't do enough to at least get a point.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Noticed a lot of Mancini type occurrences..a lot of the match we would be on the break and when we got to around our opponents 18 yard line we slowed down almost as if we purposely let them run back to set up the bus..almost like we helped them do it

Yep. The game was an exact replica of many games last season. Not enough tempo or positive passing, and everyone waiting for someone else to open the defence. Yaya and nasri were just giving it to each other and in the end we resorted to trying to use the wide areas. Which is fine, as long as you do it well. Zab isn't going to do it, and if he keeps running into navas's space neither is he. Nasri can't overlap and kolorov is far too hit and miss.

What was annoying about this game is that, without silva in the team, yet again we couldn't do what we do best: pass our way through teams.

The biggest reason we lost that game was David Silva's absence. We have no one to make us tick without him and that was badly compounded with fernandinho's absence.

We lost the game for football reasons rather than Fight, bottle, winning mentality, whatever you want to call it.

Not true we lost because we were missing joe, vinny, Merlin, ferdandinho, clichy and nasty. That's half of our strongest team. Still, it was very disappointing that the guys stepping in didn't do enough to at least get a point.

I said that in another thread. Our penetrative passing game is gone when you have more than one or two of our second choice players in. Lescott, Milner, kolorov can't pass well enough consistently enough. Demichelis and Garcia are big drops in quality. When you get the lot together you get a performance like Sunday.

We still should have had more than enough to win the game. That's the problem the manager has to solve quick

 

[waspish]

Instead of passing it around for fun we should be getting at least 3 players in the box and just keep putting it in the mix teams at the bottom will eventually make mistake, just passing it around the opposing teams penalty area is easy to defend!

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Noticed a lot of Mancini type occurrences..a lot of the match we would be on the break and when we got to around our opponents 18 yard line we slowed down almost as if we purposely let them run back to set up the bus..almost like we helped them do it

Yep. The game was an exact replica of many games last season. Not enough tempo or positive passing, and everyone waiting for someone else to open the defence. Yaya and nasri were just giving it to each other and in the end we resorted to trying to use the wide areas. Which is fine, as long as you do it well. Zab isn't going to do it, and if he keeps running into navas's space neither is he. Nasri can't overlap and kolorov is far too hit and miss.

What was annoying about this game is that, without silva in the team, yet again we couldn't do what we do best: pass our way through teams.

The biggest reason we lost that game was David Silva's absence. We have no one to make us tick without him and that was badly compounded with fernandinho's absence.

We lost the game for football reasons rather than Fight, bottle, winning mentality, whatever you want to call it.[/quote


I agree with most except withou silva we don, t create enough we created enough chances to win the game and if the officals would have done there job properly we would have won the game

 

[eddiemarin09]

Noticed a lot of Mancini type occurrences..a lot of the match we would be on the break and when we got to around our opponents 18 yard line we slowed down almost as if we purposely let them run back to set up the bus..almost like we helped them do it

Yep. The game was an exact replica of many games last season. Not enough tempo or positive passing, and everyone waiting for someone else to open the defence. Yaya and nasri were just giving it to each other and in the end we resorted to trying to use the wide areas. Which is fine, as long as you do it well. Zab isn't going to do it, and if he keeps running into navas's space neither is he. Nasri can't overlap and kolorov is far too hit and miss.

What was annoying about this game is that, without silva in the team, yet again we couldn't do what we do best: pass our way through teams.

The biggest reason we lost that game was David Silva's absence. We have no one to make us tick without him and that was badly compounded with fernandinho's absence.

We lost the game for football reasons rather than Fight, bottle, winning mentality, whatever you want to call it.[/quote


I agree with most except withou silva we don, t create enough we created enough chances to win the game and if the officals would have done there job properly we would have won the game

Agree we had our chances to score we had plenty of the ball and plenty of time in the oppositions half..even without Merlin we should've put some chances away..I don't buy the lame excuse we didn't have half our team fern silva kompany etc was not playing..so what? With the fees we paid for the players on our bench for the wages these guy make there is no reason why these players off the bench cannot get us 3 points against a bottom of the table..no excuses for this

 

[portisheadblue]

What ticks me off us reading about words of wisdom from Richards and Lescott following that crappy performance

Both of them were basically useless They rest on laurels earned in 2011/12 The idea of Richards getting a run in the team is farcical based on his non-performances against Newcastle and Sunderland

They are the two least intelligent players we gave in footballing sense that is

Time to say goodbye

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Noticed a lot of Mancini type occurrences..a lot of the match we would be on the break and when we got to around our opponents 18 yard line we slowed down almost as if we purposely let them run back to set up the bus..almost like we helped them do it

Yep. The game was an exact replica of many games last season. Not enough tempo or positive passing, and everyone waiting for someone else to open the defence. Yaya and nasri were just giving it to each other and in the end we resorted to trying to use the wide areas. Which is fine, as long as you do it well. Zab isn't going to do it, and if he keeps running into navas's space neither is he. Nasri can't overlap and kolorov is far too hit and miss.

What was annoying about this game is that, without silva in the team, yet again we couldn't do what we do best: pass our way through teams.

The biggest reason we lost that game was David Silva's absence. We have no one to make us tick without him and that was badly compounded with fernandinho's absence.

We lost the game for football reasons rather than Fight, bottle, winning mentality, whatever you want to call it.[/quote


I agree with most except withou silva we don, t create enough we created enough chances to win the game and if the officals would have done there job properly we would have won the game

We did create chances but we didn't have the opposition on the rack like we have many times this season. We laboured too much knocking it sideways. Think of how we improved in the last 30 against bayern, how we fell away in the last half hour against Moscow or how poor the first half was at Newcastle. When he's not there the other players don't play as well. The only exception was man united.

 

[shaun at my desk]

Yaya should be rested against sides like Sunderland,because he obviously has no interest whatsoever in facing lower league sides.
He is the epitome of what is wrong away from home,lumbering around like a
pissed up Emile Heskey.It's been the case since he arrived and it is driving me fucking mad.
As for missing Silva and his passing,I agree to some extent,but he has been just as guilty as anyone else of playing shite against teams we should not be losing against away from home.
Mancini couldn't sort it out,and at the moment neither has Manny.

 

[dancity19]

I'd suggest being out fought, and losing because of footballing reasons as Dave said, actually boil down to the same thing- and it has been said on here.

Losing Fernandinho and Silva to go to Milner and Garcia is a phenomenal drop in talent and ability. Players such as Silva and Ferna, not only possess a high work rate but are also as we all know top class players. Some of the passes Fernandinho plays are top drawer and begin so many of our attacks. To have to draft in Garcia and Milner, inherently means we have to rely on work rate rather than skill and ability.

Whilst they should still be better than Sunderlands midfield, a well drilled Sunderland can 'out fight' those players- and when they don't possess the necessary guile it means we can't pass our way through teams.

Playing Milner out wide didn't help at all; Milner has little to no guile, where as in the middle he often plays well. Having Garcia there, meant many players tried more difficult passes in order to avoid passing to Garcia, even if he was in space- I thought this was really noticeable. Added to that it meant Yaya had to drop deeper, and Nasri could not play the role he has been the last few weeks.

The whole loss, in my opinion, came down to not having Silva and Ferna. I do understand the point about work rate though.