police with city fans yesterday...

[Skashion]

Don't like five-o, never have, never will. I'd rather have a slap than see a charge sheet though.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Thin end of the wedge though, isn't it? The Laws are there to keep us all in line and that includes the police. If you allow them to give out a few illegal slaps then what is the next step? You've decided that it is ok to dish out a few slaps but clearly arse rape is not ok. How about breaking someone's jaw? Where do you draw the line? I know you probably think that all sounds daft but the bottom line is that it isn't for you, I or indeed a police officer to decide where the line is to be drawn, the law already does that.

I'll give you an example for the likes of local Bobbies. The one's that people know, but you would need them to start doing the beat and stop eating doughnuts in their cars.

I was about 14 and at school in Rochdale. A school called Wardle High. This wouldve been 1991. Could be a bit if a cheeky fucker at times to other kids and teachers. Anyway, our head of year, Mr Johnson, top fella by the way, got a bit of my cheek during year assembly, and blew his top and sent me to stand outside the staff room. After assembly was done, Johnno turned up, well pissed off, so to see how far i could push him, i gave him some more of my newly found wit. 1 second later and i felt a right good slap across the left hand side of my face.
What did i do? Feck all. I knew i deserved it, i also knew i could have his job, but because i respected the guy so much, and knew i was in the wrong i did nowt! Johnno would've been in his 40's at this point, and i'll tell you another thing, i respected the man more for doing it afterwards too.

I know its a bit different to the police but same principle.

So teachers should physically abuse children for being cheeky as well? I don't think we're going to reach an agreement on this tbh. Although obviously I agree that supporters really shouldn't behave like pricks and abuse police officers in the first place. And you shouldn't have been taking the piss in assembly either!

 

[deynaskaz]

Haha, come on mate, if thats you're outlook then perhaps were all doomed.

If you ever cheat - cut your cock off, not likely to repeat that then - no?

If you've ever stole - cut your hands off, and your toes (just in case).

Infact lets save all the bother and just nuke everyone, mistake making wankers. No one will ever do something wrong again then - no? ;)

The guy may have deserved, but i'm sure theres more appropriate ways to restrain someone than "punching them in the face whilst cuffed" as has been accused.

Haha, fair point, probably bit too much of a sweeping generalisation....

In my experience, which I admit isn't vast, the only people I've seen get into pushing/fighting etc with the police (at football) and ended up in cuffs are those that deserve it.

All I am saying is that there are those who repeatedly put themselves in a position where they could end up in cuffs taking the odd kick to the kidneys, and if you put yourself in that position surely the outcome is expected?

You tend to right a lot of posts before actually thinking first .,Bit of a trend happening here .

 

[bluemoon32]

Don't like five-o, never have, never will. I'd rather have a slap than see a charge sheet though.

It's not one or the other though is it, i'm not tarring them all by the same brush but there are more than a few police officers who should never be in uniform, if anything, they should be alongside some of the people they've put away in jail.

 

[Ricster]

I'll give you an example for the likes of local Bobbies. The one's that people know, but you would need them to start doing the beat and stop eating doughnuts in their cars.

I was about 14 and at school in Rochdale. A school called Wardle High. This wouldve been 1991. Could be a bit if a cheeky fucker at times to other kids and teachers. Anyway, our head of year, Mr Johnson, top fella by the way, got a bit of my cheek during year assembly, and blew his top and sent me to stand outside the staff room. After assembly was done, Johnno turned up, well pissed off, so to see how far i could push him, i gave him some more of my newly found wit. 1 second later and i felt a right good slap across the left hand side of my face.
What did i do? Feck all. I knew i deserved it, i also knew i could have his job, but because i respected the guy so much, and knew i was in the wrong i did nowt! Johnno would've been in his 40's at this point, and i'll tell you another thing, i respected the man more for doing it afterwards too.

I know its a bit different to the police but same principle.

So teachers should physically abuse children for being cheeky as well? I don't think we're going to reach an agreement on this tbh. Although obviously I agree that supporters really shouldn't behave like pricks and abuse police officers in the first place. And you shouldn't have been taking the piss in assembly either!

Sorry Sir ;)

 

[kippaxkid74]

I was about 14 and at school in Rochdale. A school called Wardle High. This wouldve been 1991. Could be a bit if a cheeky fucker at times to other kids and teachers. Anyway, our head of year, Mr Johnson, top fella by the way, got a bit of my cheek during year assembly, and blew his top and sent me to stand outside the staff room. After assembly was done, Johnno turned up, well pissed off, so to see how far i could push him, i gave him some more of my newly found wit. 1 second later and i felt a right good slap across the left hand side of my face.
What did i do? Feck all. I knew i deserved it, i also knew i could have his job, but because i respected the guy so much, and knew i was in the wrong i did nowt! Johnno would've been in his 40's at this point, and i'll tell you another thing, i respected the man more for doing it afterwards too.

I know its a bit different to the police but same principle.

Agree with you about teachers, but you say yourself you knew you deserved it as you'd done wrong. People forget that *sometimes* the police go for people who have done nothing wrong and are just in the wrong place at the wrong time walking by.. yes it maybe is only a small percentage of the times they use agressive force that it's on an innocent, but it does happen, and whenever anything is brought up people who know nothing about the incident itself always do the "they must have done something then to deserve it" arguments such as in this thread.
I'm not really talking about football related though, and if it was the idiots i saw as i walked up towards the old b of the bang site they did deserve restraining. But the blanket belief of "if the police go for you then you deserve it" that is expressed in this thread is shocking, as that is not always the case.



Myabe slightly off topic but while i'm here i'll mention a big memory of mine of how police behave at football is city playing at oldham in the 90s, 2 police as well as stewards sat at the front of each block facing everyone with about half an hour to go. Except 2 of these stood instead, despite the rest of their colleagues staying down as there was no threat and people couldnt see if they stood. i'll never forget a man with his kid asked them to sit, they threatened him with ejection, but he asked again 5 minutes later and they dragged him out!!!! I was about 6 rows behind, it was a shocking example of the way some love to go at football fans - though that is probably because of the idiots who DO run at police such as those on the way out on Sunday.

 

[salfordpaul]

I've read recently that 3 cops from m/cr (two seperate incidents ) have been jailed for assaults.

Their problem in these cases was cctv and independent witnesses!

This goes on a lot! I've seen coppers 3 and four handed at football knocking shit out of a fan. Then I've seen the other side a cop or two on their own watching fans getting battered and doing nothing!

To the poster who says football hooligans are cowards , i'd say the same of the police!

Footie fans seem to be viewed by dibble as fair game. They know if they arrest the "fan" after giving him a dig the weight of the judicial system is against the (low life Hooligan) And with no CCTV or independant witnesses he is as they say Goosed! I know lads who have been arrested and banned at footie games for threatening behaviour. They arn't hooligans just caught wrong place wrong time. One was bitten by a police dog on route to his car during a melee. To cover his back the cop had to arrest him!

Expect more of the same on saturday! If it kicks off o/s and a cop screams at you, do one !

 

[Bluetel]

For my sins I'm a copper and have worked Eastlands a few times. Every now and then I'm embaressed to be a season ticket holding blue. I've had my seasonticket a lot longer than I've been in the job & will hopefully have it long after I've left. I was watching the boys yesterday and therefore not working it so don't know the incident the op is talking about but this happens nearly every home game. I've locked people up after watching them glass or bottle someone else and used "reasonable force" to do so but all the people watching see is another copper going over the top again. Don't forget that we tend to see any little incidents from the beginning not just the final few seconds when you see a copper jumping on someone or pulling someone else to one side. I'm not trying to be sarcastic just trying to explain what the public see isn't always the full story. I'm also not naive enough to realise that we don't always get it right. Rant over!

 

[Montgomery Burns]

'I've been arse raped by the Filth and it never did me any harm'.

aside from the severe rectal bleeding...

I would imagine so.

 

[marco]

For my sins I'm a copper and have worked Eastlands a few times. Every now and then I'm embaressed to be a season ticket holding blue. I've had my seasonticket a lot longer than I've been in the job & will hopefully have it long after I've left. I was watching the boys yesterday and therefore not working it so don't know the incident the op is talking about but this happens nearly every home game. I've locked people up after watching them glass or bottle someone else and used "reasonable force" to do so but all the people watching see is another copper going over the top again. Don't forget that we tend to see any little incidents from the beginning not just the final few seconds when you see a copper jumping on someone or pulling someone else to one side. I'm not trying to be sarcastic just trying to explain what the public see isn't always the full story. I'm also not naive enough to realise that we don't always get it right. Rant over!

well pointed out there is allways two sides to a coin!

 

[salfordpaul]

yes but the trouble is, the custody sergeant, cps and magistrates only see the police side of the coin!

Believe it or not i'm not anti police I just feel they are there to protect and serve. I hate seeing police violence. They should be there by the people for the people! They need to sort bullies out among their number!

 

[Timmmmahhhh]

Haha, fair point, probably bit too much of a sweeping generalisation....

In my experience, which I admit isn't vast, the only people I've seen get into pushing/fighting etc with the police (at football) and ended up in cuffs are those that deserve it.

All I am saying is that there are those who repeatedly put themselves in a position where they could end up in cuffs taking the odd kick to the kidneys, and if you put yourself in that position surely the outcome is expected?

You tend to right a lot of posts before actually thinking first .,Bit of a trend happening here .

Examples?

 

[Skashion]

Don't like five-o, never have, never will. I'd rather have a slap than see a charge sheet though.

It's not one or the other though is it, i'm not tarring them all by the same brush but there are more than a few police officers who should never be in uniform, if anything, they should be alongside some of the people they've put away in jail.

You're quite right there. One of my mates got twatted by five-o over fuck all. He is one gobby little shite but I don't believe that five-o should get away with smacking mouthy sods whilst the rest of us have to control ourselves. That was Lancashire Constabulary not GMP though. I've only had one run-in with the GMP at the last game at Maine Road and they were alright. I've heard plenty of tales to the contrary though.

 

[m27]

This world of which some of you speak, where the Police only arrest those that have done wrong and don't use excessive and unnecessary force. Can you show me this wonderful place please? Is the sea milk chocolate and the trees made of marzipan? I must experience such wonders before I die.

 

[Montgomery Burns]

This world of which some of you speak, where the Police only arrest those that have done wrong and don't use excessive and unnecessary force. Can you show me this wonderful place please? Is the sea milk chocolate and the trees made of marzipan? I must experience such wonders before I die.

I watched the Alan Partridge show once and as the man said, why would the police go to all the trouble of arresting someone if they weren't guilty? Well that's good enough for me and I've used it as my guiding influence in all of my 27 years, 8 months and 17 days on the bench.

And another thing, the police always come across as nice and polite when giving evidence whilst the defendents all need their hair cutting and their teeth fixing. And they must be all fighting with their fellow prisoners as they all seem to have lots of cuts and bruises. It's pretty overwhelming evidence, to be honest, and claims of police brutality are just disgraceful slurs on officers of the Crown.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

This world of which some of you speak, where the Police only arrest those that have done wrong and don't use excessive and unnecessary force. Can you show me this wonderful place please? Is the sea milk chocolate and the trees made of marzipan? I must experience such wonders before I die.

I watched the Alan Partridge show once and as the man said, why would the police go to all the trouble of arresting someone if they weren't guilty? Well that's good enough for me and I've used it as my guiding influence in all of my 27 years, 8 months and 17 days on the bench.

And another thing, the police always come across as nice and polite when giving evidence whilst the defendents all need their hair cutting and their teeth fixing. And they must be all fighting with their fellow prisoners as they all seem to have lots of cuts and bruises. It's pretty overwhelming evidence, to be honest, and claims of police brutality are just disgraceful slurs on officers of the Crown.

Hahahahaha class mate.

Come forth the Clarkies....

 

[Chiefblue]

Don't come crying to me next time you're being arse raped in the back of a police van for looking suspicious.[/quote]

This cannot be a genuine opinion.

In confrontational situations the police (human men and women at the end of the day) can go too far. There are minority situations and wrongdoings in every profession. However, 95% of the time they follow the laws and this liberal society that we've let grow. And what a sad society it really is.

People come on here calling them all names under the sun and its laughable... get a life. Their hands are tied by rules that we wanted them to have. We elected the bloody leaders of this country and we have to reap what we sow.

Gone are the days where the police could use common sense (im not saying it wasnt abused, they'll never be robots) and we are left with what we've got today.... no respect.

No respect for any authority or care for anyone but themselves. Community is thing of the past.

Should an offender get a kicking while on the floor restrained and cuffed?? no but did that even happen the way its said. Is everything the way one person sees it?

There's always a bigger picture that the narrow minded never see. That old phrase: "when I do right no-one remembers, when I do wrong no-one forgets". Must be so true to such a high profile, in the public spotlight role don't ya think!

someone said earlier that they didn't like five-o and never will. What is that all about really. I've had more bad experiences with medical staff than police officers so should I always dislike them? or is that not cricket.

two sides to every coin... this country has worked bloody hard to attempt to get the police in line and out of the "life on mars" days.

Where's it left us.

 

[NPBlue]

I've never had any problem with the Police, ever.

I always think the people that complain about them are doing something wrong, get caught, and, well, it's just not fair, is it.

You just have to watch programmes on the TV like Police, Camera, Action, to see how pathetic the 'You just assualted me' brigade are.

 

[Bluemooner33]

i wasn't kicking off i was walking past and just seen it happening, maybe they deserved, to get lifted maybe not im not sure just think its bang out of order police punching people in the face and when someones restrained on the floor gettin a few sligh kicks in!

Good on um, if the police ruled with an iron fist we wouldnt have all these shit bag hoodie gangs on the streets upto no good if the old bill could give any one on the rob or carrying a knife etc a good hiding there and then or drag a drunk driver out a car and kick fuck out of him then arrest him, i bet the crime rate would drop. this country has gone soft

 

[blumoonrisen]

Good on um, if the police ruled with an iron fist we wouldnt have all these shit bag hoodie gangs on the streets upto no good if the old bill could give any one on the rob or carrying a knife etc a good hiding there and then or drag a drunk driver out a car and kick fuck out of him then arrest him, i bet the crime rate would drop. this country has gone soft

I can sort of see what you're sayin.. but I think sentences would do the trick..;)