Policing in the UK

[Vic]

Like with most threads on here, stamping on someone’s head is neither a guarantee of going to prison nor are the police free to stomp on whomever they want without consequence.

It depends on the context. That’s been looked at now and has been decided that the officer did not act disproportionately in the instance.

Whether you agree or not with that decision is subjective and ultimately moot.

Well, yes.

For a moot decision, some people seem very upset at anyone who doesn't agree with them (to the extent of making up stuff that they can be abusive about).

So when can the police stamp on someone's head and it be disproportionate? After any assault on them, or only when they could have shot them instead? That seemed to be one argument. But it's a poor do if in a thread on "Policing in the UK" we can't calmly discuss police powers and what is "self-defence", proportionate force, or lack of control.

 

[Vic]

There is no reasoned discussion to be had. As always people think they know better but the reality is the argument on proportionality is one for lawyers or prosecutors and not observers. The Police however don't have the luxury of consulting legal advice before they step in to defend themselves and the public.

So was the Police officer wrong? Perhaps yes but you can only make that judgement in hindsight and none of us are privy to the full knowledge of the facts to judge it further. The majority of the public will very quickly forgive them for being rough given what we know of the situation and many would even applaud it.

When it comes to determining excess you only have to look at this forum, if you took the last 5 pages and made those people into a 12 person jury then there's literally zero chance of agreement. 50% wouldn't even agree that it was excessive and I put myself in that bracket. The prospect of conviction is therefore zero hence no charge.

Is there however a learning exercise here for the Police? Of course there is.

Careful. Some posters would see that last sentence as dangerous lefty stuff.

 

[Vic]

Oh dear you two will be saying him and his brother were totally innocence party next, you couldn't make some of the drivel up. Controlled technique using bare hands with them two on his own, suppose he should have said to the mother just hold this weapon with while I help this model citizen up.

But you're making stuff up. No-one's said that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well, yes.

For a moot decision, some people seem very upset at anyone who doesn't agree with them (to the extent of making up stuff that they can be abusive about).

So when can the police stamp on someone's head and it be disproportionate? After any assault on them, or only when they could have shot them instead? That seemed to be one argument. But it's a poor do if in a thread on "Policing in the UK" we can't calmly discuss police powers and what is "self-defence", proportionate force, or lack of control.

That’s up to the CPS and IPCC (or whatever they’re called these days)

People on a forum can debate it until the cows come home, but without the full context differing conclusions can be logically made.

Authoritarians will always be happy with the police clobbering anyone they deem have broken the law.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The press release on the CPS didn't say anything about them deciding it was not disproportionate. That's not their role.

They said there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction. One aspect is the likelihood of juries to side with the police using to the extent that securing a majority verdict would difficult.