Political relations between UK-EU

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Unbelievable low punch from the french health minister saying the uk is talking risks with our vaccination programme, presumably only to detract from their really poor attempt at their own vaccination programe. Different flag same politcian stance always first to the lifeboats while blaming others.
 
Unbelievable low punch from the french health minister saying the uk is talking risks with our vaccination programme, presumably only to detract from their really poor attempt at their own vaccination programe. Different flag same politcian stance always first to the lifeboats while blaming others.
The French leadership have looked total pricks recently, if they didn’t already.

Macron is a weirdo as well.
 
Well - TBF, I thought it was a late night post after a few too many beers - so not worth the effort to reply to.

How else do you explain someone getting all agitated about what Australia and Canada might to at some future point or about all sorts of convoluted imaginings about the SE Asian countries rushing to enter into political integration pacts with Japan.

If you were actually not pissed then I can only assume that such convoluted imaginings provide you with some form of defence/coping mechanism.

Perhaps the realism has hit home that the root cause of Brexit and the future fractures that are going to occur across the EU are simply down to the ideologues who basically hijacked a major trading bloc to service their dreams of a European Superstate.

Maybe the penny has finally dropped for you and rather than accept that fact you would rather project onto fanciful and pretty embarrassing speculation.


Closer political union was an objective that was mentioned in the opening statement of the Treaty of Rome..... we always knew what we were signing up to.
 
Apologies for misunderstanding. So it’s very simple for me. Ok if it is a trading bloc, not ok if it has ambitions of federalist state.

I don’t know if the original articles of incorporation for the EEC alluded to any futuristic ambition that the EU became or it was merely “mission creep” that we repeatedly voted to allow.

Now is anyone going to ask for a referendum on joining the CPTPP ;)


Literally the first paragraph of the Treaty of Rome of 1958


Once again the UK Tories renege on an agreement that they were signed up to and fully aware of.
 
Closer political union was an objective that was mentioned in the opening statement of the Treaty of Rome..... we always knew what we were signing up to.
You have clutched at that straw before

Didn't work then either - but it does show just how desperate the Remainer position has become
 
I'm criticising the UK for prioritising long distance trade, something the EU isn't doing due to the massive single market they have. All countries need to start doing this, not just us, not just the EU.
You are doing more digging on this than UVDL is on her vaccine fuck up
 
He is one MP. You vote for your own representative.

Had you advised your own MP that although you were opposed to leaving the EU, it was a reality and democracy must be respected, therefore getting in a Labour Government and we'd have had a Labour Government negotiating our terms of leaving.

None of you did that, you wanted to oppose the act of leaving entirely, the general public got pissed off and voted either for the one party that advocated leaving the EU with a deal, or taking vital votes away to reduce Labour/Tory remainer influence in Parliament. Remember how well Change UK did?

Well done guys!


Referendum was not counted on constituency lines (see what the Tories did there) so contacting your MP was a pointless exercise (mines Jo Churchill so its a pointless exercise anyway )..... in any event 486 MPs stated that they would vote Remain themselves.
 
yeah, the UK doesn't have any vaccines.

AstraZeneca is a listed compay whose largest owners are US wealth funds. Astra was founded in the UK, Zeneca was founded in Sweden. They merged. At no point did AZ come under ownership of the UK Govt.

What seems to be missing from the reporting in the UK papers is the outcome of the disput i.e. the UK contract will be supplied from all European production and the EU contract will be supplied from all European production.
Yep - using best reasonable endeavours....
 
Gave it up when it was a lost cause.... Yet banging on about it now!

I can't recall why EFTA/EEA didn't fly in Parliament, but we were three votes from a majority for staying in a customs union - blame Labour rebels and the LibDems.
We have been blaming - well at least pointing out - that 'due credit' for the real Brexit outcome has to be given to the Labour Party in particular

The LibDems voting can be understood - they were and clear and consistent about what they wanted - actually same with the ERG

But Labour had the opportunity to secure a BRINO which saw the UK even more tied to the EU than Remaining

It is one of your Remainer colleagues that is struggling with reality
 
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Unbelievable low punch from the french health minister saying the uk is talking risks with our vaccination programme, presumably only to detract from their really poor attempt at their own vaccination programe. Different flag same politcian stance always first to the lifeboats while blaming others.
They have an election coming up and Macron was desperately keen for the French to bring forward the vaccine - they are being politically and naturally churlish
 
Literally the first paragraph of the Treaty of Rome of 1958


Once again the UK Tories renege on an agreement that they were signed up to and fully aware of.
Actually, for all the guff about Cameron failing to get any concessions from the EU, exemption from "ever-closer union" was one of the concessions he got. Not that the Brexity press rejoiced...
 
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Referendum was not counted on constituency lines (see what the Tories did there) so contacting your MP was a pointless exercise (mines Jo Churchill so its a pointless exercise anyway )..... in any event 486 MPs stated that they would vote Remain themselves.
I can see what you are getting at.........

Good job that it was a referendum then and not a HoC vote
 
Or losing a dreadful burden and........

Depends on if you voted with the majority or not I guess
Purely on trade benefits, you don't really think joining CPTPP will compensate for the damage of Brexit.
 
We have been blaming - well at least pointing out - that the 'due credit' for the real Brexit outcome has to be given to the Labour Party in particular

The LibDems voting can be understood - they were and clear and consistent about what they wanted - actually same with the ERG

But Labour had the opportunity to secure a BRINO which saw the UK even more tied to the EU than Remaining

It is one of your Remainer colleagues that is struggling with reality
I've asked you before. When was a BRINO deal ever remotely on offer? I'm struggling with your unreality.
 
Purely on trade benefits, you don't really think joining CPTPP will compensate for the damage of Brexit.
Just a nonsense question - as is all the distraction that you guys have been bringing forward

It is not a question of comparing 2 blocs and deciding between them - that is just the narrative/discussion that you want to make it

Thankfully, the UK is out of the EU and away from the risk of future integration that Remaining would have inevitably led to

Now we are we are able to consider which trading relationships we wish to enter into

Simples really
 
I've asked you before. When was a BRINO deal ever remotely on offer? I'm struggling with your unreality.

Never. May ruled it out in her Lancaster House speech in January 2017, much to the annoyance of Hammond the Chancellor at the time.
 
Just a nonsense question - as is all the distraction that you guys have been bringing forward

It is not a question of comparing 2 blocs and deciding between them - that is just the narrative/discussion that you want to make it

Thankfully, the UK is out of the EU and away from the risk of future integration that Remaining would have inevitably led to

Now we are we are able to consider which trading relationships we wish to enter into

Simples really

The answer you are looking for is ‘no’.
 

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