Political relations between UK-EU

Best make that 48.

I'll stick with 50. It's is a nice round number. To be fair its our dumbest brainfart since Suez, but I couldn't be arsed to work out how many years ago that was.

Still, any moment now, sunlit uplands ahead and all that. Probably on a lorry stuck at the border waiting for the paperwork to clear.

Ah, you have to laugh. Well, I am anyway.
 
I'll stick with 50. It's is a nice round number. To be fair its our dumbest brainfart since Suez, but I couldn't be arsed to work out how many years ago that was.

Still, any moment now, sunlit uplands ahead and all that. Probably on a lorry stuck at the border waiting for the paperwork to clear.

Ah, you have to laugh. Well, I am anyway.
Suez* was a damn smart piece of thinking and a triumph of international diplomacy.

Compared to Brexit, anyway.







*64 years ago
 
Frost is banging on about the NI protocols, usual moaning about what we signed up to, blah, blah, but it was notable for the following

"Brexit is not a thing in itself. It is not a choice to live in permanent confrontation with our.. neighbours. Rather it is a 1st stage, a necessary gateway through which this country had to pass in order to give us freedom"

And therein lies the problem. We are telling 27 sovereign nations that they are not free because they chose to enhance trade and opportunity and eliminate borders. Whereas the UK which limits its citizens and hides behind borders insists it is ‘free’.

This is a frame of mind that will be met with incomprehension by 27 other nations. It is in essence saying we will live in permanent confrontation because there is no way to reconcile these opposing views.
 
Frost is banging on about the NI protocols, usual moaning about what we signed up to, blah, blah, but it was notable for the following

"Brexit is not a thing in itself. It is not a choice to live in permanent confrontation with our.. neighbours. Rather it is a 1st stage, a necessary gateway through which this country had to pass in order to give us freedom"

And therein lies the problem. We are telling 27 sovereign nations that they are not free because they chose to enhance trade and opportunity and eliminate borders. Whereas the UK which limits its citizens and hides behind borders insists it is ‘free’.

This is a frame of mind that will be met with incomprehension by 27 other nations. It is in essence saying we will live in permanent confrontation because there is no way to reconcile these opposing views.
To be fair, “to give us freedom” is followed by “to free up and liberalise our economy domestically, to restore genuine political choice to our electorate, and to rebuild the country from some of the distortions created by EU membership.

Of course what the disingenuous turd doesn’t recognise is that there are consequences that we’ve got to accept if want to set our own economic rules, the consequences that are becoming clearer every day and are manifesting themselves in empty supermarket shelves, fields full of unpicked produce, a downturn in exports due to the inevitable red tape associated with having our own rules and the extra costs for setting up a whole new independent framework to facilitate our “freedom”. All for what? To allow us to import some cheap meat from Oz to put our farmers out of business and to buy some even cheaper trainers from Malaysia. In return we can export an extra couple of tons of cheese to Japan if it doesn’t go off on the journey.
 
To be fair, “to give us freedom” is followed by “to free up and liberalise our economy domestically, to restore genuine political choice to our electorate, and to rebuild the country from some of the distortions created by EU membership.

Of course what the disingenuous turd doesn’t recognise is that there are consequences that we’ve got to accept if want to set our own economic rules, the consequences that are becoming clearer every day and are manifesting themselves in empty supermarket shelves, fields full of unpicked produce, a downturn in exports due to the inevitable red tape associated with having our own rules and the extra costs for setting up a whole new independent framework to facilitate our “freedom”. All for what? To allow us to import some cheap meat from Oz to put our farmers out of business and to buy some even cheaper trainers from Malaysia. In return we can export an extra couple of tons of cheese to Japan if it doesn’t go off on the journey.

Take your point, but not sure the rest is any better. Firstly. we had the freedom to shape our economy domestically while in the EU. There are 27 nations in the EU, and several nations not in the EU, but within the EU Single Market. Each of these nations has different economic strengths, weaknesses and profiles irrespective of EU membership, that are shaped by domestic policy.

Secondly, he is also telling 27 sovereign nations that within the EU there is no genuine ‘political choice’ for their electorate. We seem to have reached the stage of incessantly lecturing/insulting other nations and then wondering why these nations have stopped listening.

Thirdly, the distortions on this nation are as much about austerity over the last ten years than EU membership. To pretend otherwise is to delude ourselves.
 

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