Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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kevin horlocks wand said:
You have to pay in Trafford now. Come and check it, it varies from week to week.

Used to play golf at Heaton park as a kid, god it's a tough course.
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I believe you mate just surprised that's all, and was tongue in cheek regarding how much waste you generate.
As for Heaton park, it's brutal, longest course I've played I think and even good shots can result in lost balls as you play that many blind!!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It'll mostly never be paid back. As I said in an earlier post, maybe we should just put 9% on earnings over £21000 for everyone who ever graduated from university? Now that would realise quite a lot of cash (much more than Corbin was after).
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I paid mine back as I am sure others do.

may be a bit harsh and inequitable as we only want them to pay back their loans and notional interest.

I am all for free education at uni but it's doesn't seem to be the biggest priority at the moment in society, unless of course you needed a lot of people to vote for you in an election then I can understand why you might want to prioritise it,
 
blueinsa said:
You live on a different planet if you believe any of that you have just wrote.

"there have been no cuts"

Rubbish!
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Can I have an apology? Or are you trying to think of something after your shock at those figures which show hard facts?
 
blueinsa said:
The IFS thinks your facebook link is total bollox!
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No they don't. I have researched both. Can you back up your statement please?

Which bit is wrong? I look forward to it - truth is in one simple table it tells it as it is. And the ifs data is very very similar. I spent 4 hours cross referening it to check it was accurate about theee weeks ago when I saw it on Facebook. So I look forward to this response.

Not being a twat here but the facts are very accurate.
 
worsleyweb said:
See my post above. I await your comments.
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Does it have mention of cranes on the skyline of cities throughout the UK? And how that makes everything hunky dory?
I'll read it later ww.
At the moment I'm just sickened by the seeming rush to defend to use our 'booming' economy as an argument that everything is great.
It isn't. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Tell those who died excruciating deaths in the Grenfell Tower they were living the dream.
I admit that I've never given those people, or anyone else living in similar, a thought before. They got on with their lives and I got on with mine, 250 miles apart in this particular instance.
However, I know (and always have) that this economy shite never filters down.
Rant over.
I'll read it later ww.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It'll mostly never be paid back. As I said in an earlier post, maybe we should just put 9% on earnings over £21000 for everyone who ever graduated from university? Now that would realise quite a lot of cash (much more than Corbin was after).
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so 39% of my hard-earned money being taken off me without spending a penny, sounds so appealing.
 
BobKowalski said:
I think irrespective of who is bringing up concerns re the GFA that hardly equates to them acting like children.
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Come on, we need to stop beating around the bush and call both sides out in NI. It's 2017 and they can't even live together properly.

My mate who's a Belfast Republican is a good lad but the political stuff relating to NI he comes out with is embarrassing.

They need to grow the fuck up and realise their religion or political views isn't worth hurting or segregating other people over. And I mean both sides with that.
 
worsleyweb said:
Apologies for the Facebook link but wanted to be quick.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...=a.2916888440154.2127322.1199013810&source=48
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Many of those numbers are actually reductions if taking inflation into account. Even if NHS funding was up 10% in 7 years (it isn't) demand is growing by over 4% per year. That's always assuming you don't want to count drugs inflation. That has gone up by about 25% and is rising exponentially year on year. Total drugs bill currently is about £16B, likely to be £21B by 2022.
Also, you forgot to include debt in that list.


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mackenzie said:
Does it have mention of cranes on the skyline of cities throughout the UK? And how that makes everything hunky dory?
I'll read it later ww.
At the moment I'm just sickened by the seeming rush to defend to use our 'booming' economy as an argument that everything is great.
It isn't. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Tell those who died excruciating deaths in the Grenfell Tower they were living the dream.
I admit that I've never given those people, or anyone else living in similar, a thought before. They got on with their lives and I got on with mine, 250 miles apart in this particular instance.
However, I know (and always have) that this economy shite never filters down.
Rant over.
I'll read it later ww.
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Please do. The tradgedy is just that. Incredible sad and I hope a full investigation is underway.

I will take your comment on cranes as a joke but cranes equate to jobs and new homes and investment. People who mock me should remember the hundreds of decent family man who were ringing me for jobs between 2007 and 2009 who were joiners and brickies and electricians and had no real means to support there families for those brutal years.

I am not saying things are great but they are not as bad as people are making out. My dad is a hero of mine and man born in collyhurst in the 30s - he laughs when he hears about austerity and toughness. Tells me he didn't have an inside bath until he was 15 and now sees kids with I phones at ten.

I firmly believe that we are on the right path with our economic policy. Sorry but I do.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Many of those numbers are actually reductions if taking inflation into account. Even if NHS funding was up 10% in 7 years (it isn't) demand is growing by over 4% per year. That's always assuming you don't want to count drugs inflation. That has gone up by about 25% and is rising exponentially year on year. Total drugs bill currently is about £16B, likely to be £21B by 2022.
Also, you forgot to include debt in that list.


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So what do we do? Just keep spending and taxing hard work and entrepreneurship? Proven to reduce tax receipts in multiple countries over many decades?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I paid mine back as I am sure others do.

may be a bit harsh and inequitable as we only want them to pay back their loans and notional interest.

I am all for free education at uni but it's doesn't seem to be the biggest priority at the moment in society, unless of course you needed a lot of people to vote for you in an election then I can understand why you might want to prioritise it,
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Current students face 4% interest.
Not my idea of notional.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
They went from being the government to being a minority government because, suddenly, people realised these tough choices you describe have actually been making it worse, not better.
As for bribing students, if indeed that's what happened, how is that any different to you voting for a party because they offer you tax cuts or offer pensioners a triple lock, free tv licences, free travel and winter fuel payments?
As for student loans, 9% they pay back, on all earnings over £21000. Maybe the government should just say everyone who ever went to university will pay 9% on everything they earn over £21000 (that pre not post tax)?
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The student loan book has mostly been sold off so it won't be going into the public purse anyway.
They just can't get the latest tranche off the govt books because the figures of over 60% unlikely to ever pay it off and only 40% paying anything makes it all rather unattractive.
 
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