Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Chippy_boy said:
Changing the subject a little, has anyone on the thread raising the question of possible Russian interference in our general election? I've no idea whether there was any, but we remain an infuential nation if not the great one we once were. And it would sure suit Corbyn if we were ruled by a Labour government with a anti-nuclear, weak leader unwilling to stand up to any foreign transgressions. And then you have the masses of social media activity, heavily favouring a Corbyn narrative.

It does make me wonder.
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What a bizarre concept.

You RWNJs just don't get it.

Your grip on power is soon to be toast.

It is the will of the people.
 
Len Rum said:
Ballad of a thin man.
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Len, your references are a lament for your winklepickers.

"something is happening and you don't know what it is"

Sums up your man and his mini me rather well...

Our resident Master of Orthodoxy from across the water on the other hand....

 
Chippy_boy said:
Changing the subject a little, has anyone on the thread raising the question of possible Russian interference in our general election? I've no idea whether there was any, but we remain an infuential nation if not the great one we once were. And it would sure suit Corbyn if we were ruled by a Labour government with a anti-nuclear, weak leader unwilling to stand up to any foreign transgressions. And then you have the masses of social media activity, heavily favouring a Corbyn narrative.

It does make me wonder.
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Just because he isn't a murderous warmonger, it doesn't necessarily mean that he wouldn't defend our country.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Changing the subject a little, has anyone on the thread raising the question of possible Russian interference in our general election? I've no idea whether there was any, but we remain an infuential nation if not the great one we once were. And it would sure suit Corbyn if we were ruled by a Labour government with a anti-nuclear, weak leader unwilling to stand up to any foreign transgressions. And then you have the masses of social media activity, heavily favouring a Corbyn narrative.

It does make me wonder.
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The entire purpose of the opposition now is to bring about an 'insurrection' as John Mcdonnell put but sorry John but not on my watch, you will not be taking hold of my vote that is for sure.

The Tories did not achieve a majority but they did achieve the greatest number of votes, that means Labour and the left have lost, the vast majority of people simply do not want a left government. If they did they would of voted for it, they didn't. The movements and unions and all this crap going on is completely irrelevant and none of them represent the majority that have rejected Labour.

All of what is happening is taking advantage of totally separate events hijacked for political gain and it is an utter disgrace.

It is exactly the same as when Trump got in over in the US, he won the vast majority of votes but judging by the anarchy that folllowed you wouldn't think so. It is a pity these moronic people cannot accept it because they should, the majority do not want Labour in charge.
 
inbetween said:
The entire purpose of the opposition now is to bring about an 'insurrection' as John Mcdonnell put but sorry John but not on my watch, you will not be taking hold of my vote that is for sure.

The Tories did not achieve a majority but they did achieve the greatest number of votes, that means Labour and the left have lost, the vast majority of people simply do not want a left government. If they did they would of voted for it, they didn't. The movements and unions and all this crap going on is completely irrelevant and none of them represent the majority that have rejected Labour.

All of what is happening is taking advantage of totally separate events hijacked for political gain and it is an utter disgrace.

It is exactly the same as when Trump got in over in the US, he won the vast majority of votes but judging by the anarchy that folllowed you wouldn't think so. It is a pity these moronic people cannot accept it because they should, the majority do not want Labour in charge.
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So, you don't think what's happened as late holds a mirror to cuts so you can what happens in real, even if extreme, terms?
 
Chippy_boy said:
This is *precisely* my point.

This is what the leftist Labour movement is all about, seeking a return to the days of strikes and demonstrations. There's many disgruntled people there for sure, but there's also many who are hobby protesters. They get off on it.

I was struck yesterday by the angry crowds outside Grenfell Tower, and I wondered just how many of them have had any actual involvement? And how big the crowd would have been had Labour won the election (i.e. how much smaller would it have been). Half these people are simply protesters, of whatever they can find to protest about it. They love it.

We've enjoyed decades of relative growth and prosperity and they've hated every moment of it. Now we've been going through difficult times and they are happy again.

For the lefties driving the agenda in the Labour movement right now, it's not very little to do with helping poor people and EVERYTHING to do with power. They sense an opportunity to mobilise public opinion and to gain power. That's what's driving this.
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They've hated every moment of relative growth because they have had no stake in it and it has passed them by. In fact what you call prosperity has been at their expense, at the expense of the services on which they rely. Relative prosperity may have made the rich relatively prosperous but it has made the lives of the poor, poorer. They have been excluded. Tax cuts against spending cuts, remember.
The reason they might seem happier now is because finally they can see some light at the end of the tunnel. They can see someone who genuinely cares about their needs and treats them like human beings, rather than inconsequential inconvenients to be humoured or ignored at best and exploited at worst.
 
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inbetween said:
The entire purpose of the opposition now is to bring about an 'insurrection' as John Mcdonnell put but sorry John but not on my watch, you will not be taking hold of my vote that is for sure.

The Tories did not achieve a majority but they did achieve the greatest number of votes, that means Labour and the left have lost, the vast majority of people simply do not want a left government. If they did they would of voted for it, they didn't. The movements and unions and all this crap going on is completely irrelevant and none of them represent the majority that have rejected Labour.

All of what is happening is taking advantage of totally separate events hijacked for political gain and it is an utter disgrace.

It is exactly the same as when Trump got in over in the US, he won the vast majority of votes but judging by the anarchy that folllowed you wouldn't think so. It is a pity these moronic people cannot accept it because they should, the majority do not want Labour in charge.
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Umm I think you need to look up what "vast majority" means. The tories only got 791,421 more votes than Labour. If you think that is the vast majority out of a country of 65 million then I really don't know what to tell you. Also you again got it completley wrong with the US election as Hilary actually won the popular vote: she got 65 million votes, he got 62 million. But don't let those facts get in the way of your idiotic rant.
 
RandomJ said:
Umm I think you need to look up what "vast majority" means. The tories only got 791,421 more votes than Labour. If you think that is the vast majority out of a country of 65 million then I really don't know what to tell you. Also you again got it completley wrong with the US election as Hilary actually won the popular vote: she got 65 million votes, he got 62 million. But don't let those facts get in the way of your idiotic rant.
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If you lump what is referred to as the progressive vote, Labour, Libs, SNP, Greens, Plaid Cymru and various other odds and sods, the only conclusion one can come to is we have a government in office but not in power.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Fucking shameful doing a deal with those cunts.
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It was doing a deal (several in fact) that paved the way for the relatively peaceful situation we now have in N. Ireland. The governments of Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major and Blair all spoke directly to Sinn Fein and the IRA. "The pipe", as was known the conduit between the UK government and the IRA was kept open throughout the atrocities. If it had been closed, as was demanded by more than one PM, but rebuffed by the brighter parts of their respective governments, we'd still be seeing nationalist and loyalist murders on the scale we witnessed in the late 60s, 70s and 80s. Thankfully, it wasn't. Hard as it was/is to do deals with "those cunts", it's been proven to be the right thing. Peter Taylor, author of the troubles-defining trilogy "Brits" "Loyalists" and "The IRA" wrote a brilliant follow up: "Talking to The Terrorists". As the title infers, it's conversation that ultimately has to prevail.
 
The perfect fumble said:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11777/how-many-votes-did-trump-and-clinton-get-final-james-barrett

How Many Votes Did Trump and Clinton Get? The Final Vote Count

  • Clinton: 65,844,610 (48.2%)
  • Trump: 62,979,636 (46.1%)
  • Others: 7,804,213 (5.7%)
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Ok, not the majority of votes but the US does not work that way and neither does it here. I mentioned numbers purely to illustrate that for some people the voting numbers are all that matters but they become irrelevant. Here however the Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote which is 42.4% more than anyone else did, that makes them the popular party.

Trump won because he won the majority of states as according to the electoral college system, he basically just didn't win the big states like California and New York but he won everything else.

Here we elect an MP and the Conservatives have gained 55 more MP's than Labour and they gained more votes than Labour. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn has no mandate to form a government as it is impossible for him to establish a majority.

He lost, time for some to accept it.
 
inbetween said:
Ok, not the majority of votes but the US does not work that way and neither does it here. I mentioned numbers purely to illustrate that for some people the voting numbers are all that matters but they become irrelevant. Here however the Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote which is 42.4% more than anyone else did, that makes them the popular party.

Trump won because he won the majority of states as according to the electoral college system, he basically just didn't win the big states like California and New York but he won everything else.

Here we elect an MP and the Conservatives have gained 55 more MP's than Labour and they gained more votes than Labour. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn has no mandate to form a government as it is impossible for him to establish a majority.

He lost, time for some to accept it.
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I know how our first past the post system works.

You don't understand the long term ramifications of Thatcher's destruction of the post war consensus.

I don't give a flying fuck about the result of that election and in truth I don't give a flying fuck what you think. Be true to yourself, you don't give a fuck what I think either.

This is what happens when the ties that bind us are deliberately unravelled for the benefit of the few.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I know how our first past the post system works.

You don't understand the long term ramifications of Thatcher's destruction of the post war consensus.

I don't give a flying fuck about the result of that election and in truth I don't give a flying fuck what you think. Be true to yourself, you don't give a fuck what I think either.

This is what happens when the ties that bind us are deliberately unravelled for the benefit of the few.
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I'm not all that interested in Thatcher, I wasn't alive when Thatcher came to power, I don't see how any of that line of thinking is relevant, it is 2017 not 1979.

I care very much so what people think but what I cannot abide is based in my original post, I have heard people like Mcdonnell saying they are going to bring down the government, a government many, no sorry, most of us chose to elect. Back in the day treason was treated far more seriously..

The way things are just cannot be tolerated because right now the country is being split by a wild left who are not accounting for the fact that their views are not represented by the democratic vote we have just had. They want to takeover the country against the only true measured demonstration of the will of the people.

Unfortunately history only tells us it will end in tears because order and respect of democracy simply has to be maintained.
 
inbetween said:
Ok, not the majority of votes but the US does not work that way and neither does it here. I mentioned numbers purely to illustrate that for some people the voting numbers are all that matters but they become irrelevant. Here however the Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote which is 42.4% more than anyone else did, that makes them the popular party.

Trump won because he won the majority of states as according to the electoral college system, he basically just didn't win the big states like California and New York but he won everything else.

Here we elect an MP and the Conservatives have gained 55 more MP's than Labour and they gained more votes than Labour. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn has no mandate to form a government as it is impossible for him to establish a majority.

He lost, time for some to accept it.
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No you mentioned numbers to highlight the 'vast majority' over here did not want a left Government and then used the American comparison as another example. Your point got proven incorrect and now your backtracking.

Also the Conservatives did not win '42.4 percent more than anyone else did' over here.
 
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