Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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The public, as an entity, are thick and very easily manipulated by things they don't understand or aren't familiar with. It's basis off which advertising works so the public prove nothing to your points.

Of course it's going to be "oh we're in the shit, it must be the Government's fault, they're the one's responsible for the economy - let's vote for this party that are making all the right noises and are going with the simple, first logical solution." Austerity has proved to be a good call at the time, but that was stage 1 and the Tories have continued stage 1 for 10 years whilst commissioning things that suit them, not the people.
I can't believe that common working class people without two halfpennies to rub together would put their trust in rich toffs to look after their interests. A bit like a sheep asking a wolf to look after it. It doesn't happen.
 
I can't believe that common working class people without two halfpennies to rub together would put their trust in rich toffs to look after their interests. A bit like a sheep asking a wolf to look after it. It doesn't happen.
I edited that post to be more accurate but like I said, it's very easy to manipulate the public.
 
Everyone can become wealthy in the same way everyone can become prime minister
In theory fine, in practice not going to happen. A decent society should look after the interests and welfare of all its citizens. By that I mean the wealth creators as well as the needy. The notion though that the wealth creators' interests should be the sole focus of government to the detriment of the less well off or less capable is unacceptable. There is a balance to be struck and the balance has tipped too far away from the needs of the less well off. It needs a correction and if we're lucky we might get one in the next election.

Don't fall for the right's bullshit about "wealth creators" and entrepreneurs etc.

Wealth is created by the men and women working their asses off on factory floors/on farm fields/on their computers writing code etc. It is not created by the suits in the boardroom or the accountants, financiers or other consultants that feed of the surplus value of their productive activities.
 
I'm not talking about the past I'm talking about going forward.

My critique of Tory was on what they've done, not a myth created about them that doesn't have a simple answer but of which there are many routes at any given time. I want to see the Govt investing in long-term money-making schemes for the country - rlnationionalising the railways as oppose to selling services off for short-term boosts but a loss of profitable assets in the long-term for example. I'm sure a team of experts could be drafted to come up with brilliant ideas. You never see groundbreaking or radical ideas from the Tories though, they only seek to squeeze what they've got. Then when they leave their position, they take up huge wages elsewhere and are pleased with what they've done - because they've done it for themselves, not the country. This is me generalising very much so, but it's a gripe I can apply cross-party depending on the politician.

Not entirely true that Tories never come up with groundbreaking ideas. The ECHR had a conservative at the heart of its drafting and the EU Single Market was largely created by the Tories under Thatcher. The idea was to make trade the cornerstone of the EU project. They also thought EU Single Market rules on public ownership would prevent old style socialism ever taking root in the UK again which is why Corbyn is at heart content with the Brexit result.

And they say irony is dead.
 
Don't fall for the right's bullshit about "wealth creators" and entrepreneurs etc.

Wealth is created by the men and women working their asses off on factory floors/on farm fields/on their computers writing code etc. It is not created by the suits in the boardroom or the accountants, financiers or other consultants that feed of the surplus value of their productive activities.

Factory floors , farm fields and computers are generally in the private sector - i agree
 
Not entirely true that Tories never come up with groundbreaking ideas. The ECHR had a conservative at the heart of its drafting and the EU Single Market was largely created by the Tories under Thatcher. The idea was to make trade the cornerstone of the EU project. They also thought EU Single Market rules on public ownership would prevent old style socialism ever taking root in the UK again which is why Corbyn is at heart content with the Brexit result.

And they say irony is dead.
There has also been some progressive legislation under Tory governments since the ECHR: TUPE, the DDA and the Same Sex Marriage Couples Act spring immediately to mind.
 
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