Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[The perfect fumble]

Unfortunately the "Blairites" as you call them are still the only Labour members who have ever actually won an election.

This is a fad and will pass. Centrist politics will ALWAYS win.

No, it won't, it rarely does, it didn't last night, in 2015 or in 2010.

 

[Blue Hefner]

"Election? What election? Back to work everyone".

That's it, in a nutshell

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Nah, a few of their MPs might but their members and electorate are dead against it, go look at the referendum result in NI.

Ok cheers it's all a little in the air at the minute what a mess

 

[SWP's back]

That's 20 years ago. There's an extra 10 million people in the country now. Not sure why thats shocking.

Ok. Try this. Blair's vote share was 1% higher.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

No, it won't, it rarely does, it didn't last night, in 2015 or in 2010.

There wasn't a centrist option to vote for last night, or arguably in 2015. No one won in 2010.

 

[Gabriel]

Just as a little background information, there were 10 by-elections in the two years following the election in 2015. Moreover, there were 21 by-elections over the course of the 2010-2015 parliament.

Keeping a supply and confidence government together will require great tact, and starting the Brexit negotiations and then changing leader in the summer could have major implications.

Fascinating times ahead.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Unfortunately the "Blairites" as you call them are still the only Labour members who have ever actually won an election.

This is a fad and will pass. Centrist politics will ALWAYS win.

And to think Theresa May started out by saying (effectively) governing for the many not the few, saw her lead accelerate to +20 points and then decided to say she'd take peoples' homes off them, stop increasing their pensions, take their winter fuel allowance off some of them and make kids go hungry at school. What a complete cretin she is.

She genuinely had the opportunity to seize the biggest Tory majority in 30 years and has all on her own, fucked it right up. She'll be lucky if she is not humanly put to sleep, let alone lose her job.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I am sure you are right. As I say, I mentioned it only half tongue-in-cheek.

I do wonder how some of the Labour centrist MPs are feeling this morning though? Pleasantly pleased and surprised, or monumentally pissed off.

I'll happily take silent and neutered.

 

[Damocles]

No, it won't, it rarely does, it didn't last night, in 2015 or in 2010.

Ed Miliband was not a centrist ffs

 

[SWP's back]

Errrr? I like her and so does my wife, that's pretty amazing in itself.

Just showed the clip to my wife and she just asked if she was pissed and that she acted "like a drunk aunt at Christmas".

 

[Damocles]

And to think Theresa May started out by saying (effectively) governing for the many not the few, saw her lead accelerate to +20 points and then decided to say she'd take peoples' homes off them, stop increasing their pensions, take their winter fuel allowance off some of them and make kids go hungry at school. What a complete cretin she is.

This is the point. May was one of the more centrist Tory leaders until she put out a stunningly stupid manifesto and dodged debates.

If she'd have stuck to her guns we'd still be talking a 100 seat majority. Saying centrist politics always wins shouldn't even be that controversial, it's common sense

 

[worsleyweb]

I'm sure @worsleyweb will be elated.

Just googled them - I am.

 

[geoff clipp]

Use the search facility and see that everyone said that seven years ago as well.

Everyone repeating it is starting to sound like the scousers "next year is our year"

Not really. As a labour voter, i'm not sure another election with a better Tory leader would have a great outcome from my perspective so it's not something i'm necessarily hoping will happen. If I were a Tory i'd want a new leader and another election asap. It looks like this voting block might only have a majority of two and a significant number of Tories want May out. It's very hard to see it lasting 5 years. I think they'll really struggle to get much done at all in the next couple of years. I mean they can hardly count on Ken Clarke, so we're already down to one. Having to sacrifice their hard Brexit to go into a partnership with the DUP when it gives very little guarantee they can push through their agenda hardly seems worth it.

Would also add, they may have underestimated the level of opposition this deal with DUP will face. It's a step too far for many.

 

[cibaman]

Yeah I thought I heard him say they wanted a total separation from the EU against the wishes of the Irish voters....I had it on in the background so wasn't paying much attention

Weren't they discussing the suggestion of a special arrangement for NI whereby it remained in the single market after the rest of UK left? Didnt he say that if the rest of the UK opted for a hard brexit that had to cover NI too (albeit with a "soft border").

 

[Damocles]

Ok. Try this. Blair's vote share was 1% higher.

Because he fought in a three party system where the Lib Dems got 5 million votes.

If New Labour were invented today with Blair at it's helm, he would have walked the election. I'm fact he might have gotten 18 million votes

 

[BlueAnorak]

I give it 2 months. We'll all be back at the polls by October.

Nope. No election till after the boundary change in 2018. That means after Brexit too.
Not sure May will remain as Prime Minister though. The meeting of the new 1922 committee next week could be extremely brutal. The Tories do tend to indulge in Regicide on perceived failure.
Whoever becomes leader - probably David Davis - will have a lot going for them if they move the Party to the left to be "One Nation Tories" again. Especially if facing the unelectable Corbyn who let's be honest won't be going anywhere unless he sees the problem many voters have with him.

 

[Chippy_boy]

This is the point. May was one of the more centrist Tory leaders until she put out a stunningly stupid manifesto and dodged debates.

If she'd have stuck to her guns we'd still be talking a 100 seat majority. Saying centrist politics always wins shouldn't even be that controversial, it's common sense

I totally agree with you. The vast majority of people in this country are not heartless fascists, nor would-be marxists. They believe in decent public services and fair taxation. They do not want our NHS falling to bits, but equally they do not want people punished for being successful.

Any Tory or Labour party that appeals to that audience, walks it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Ok. Try this. Blair's vote share was 1% higher.

So what? This is all noises off.

Politics is being re-set, from now on the opposition will be different from the government, not a mirror image of it. That's a good thing, otherwise it's Tweedledee or Tweedledum forever and people are sick of it.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Not sure what you heard mate, but the DUP are strongly in favor of a soft Brexit. They campaigned under that banner for this election. Their leader in particular, Arlene Foster, campaigned for Remain.

This article sums it up pretty well - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...portant-democratic-unionist-party-could-hold/

To be fair that doesn't give much away apart from they don't want a hard border between North and South it mentions pensions and winter fuel payments but not much more...it does say the leader was a remainer but it says this was based on the soft border being retained

 

[CTID1988]

After accusing Corbyn of being a terrorists sympathiser May gets into bed with terrorist sympathisers. Oh, they're homophobes and anti women's rights too.
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