Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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BlueHammer85 said:
He was very very close. So many constituents were on a knife edge really - had that vote been done another month later I reckon he could have got a majority - he's manifesto was not extreme left wing as some like to make it. It was sensibly costed and people saw that, the momentum is on his side, people can say that's down to May and her campaign. But the reality is Corbyn has reached out to the youth and the poorest in our society against all odds.
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I'm not sure it was as close as you suggest. Not to an outright victory.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Try and get a crime recorded as part of the stats these days.
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Have you?

sir baconface said:
Against all odds? Fcuk me. It was on the back of possibly the most cynical political bribe in history.
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I'm glad someone else pointed that out.

It really is against all the odds to persuade people (that have never paid any tax in) that if they voted for him, he'd give them £28,000.

(Or the equivalent of about ten years income tax take from the average wage earner).
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Dec 2016 Total reported crimes - 491,670
Mar 2017 Total recorded crimes - 544,237.

Yep, great job.
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So getting a crime recorded isn't that hard then?

And your first response was to say the figures were bullshit, then you went and checked, saw they could be used to back up your view and then decided they were fine.

So long as we are on the same page.

Ps. Police numbers were virtually the same in 2015 and 2016 no?

Can you quote your source as well cheers
 
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SWP's back said:
Have you?



I'm glad someone else pointed that out.

It really is against all the odds to persuade people (that have never paid any tax in) that if they voted for him, he'd give them £28,000.

(Or the equivalent of about ten years income tax take from the average wage earner).
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Yhp, bribe the young with no tuition fees, bribe the old with the triple lock and expect everyone on a passable wage to pay for it with 30/35% tax rates in a couple of years because the rich have fucked off and decided not to pay 50/55% tax rates and can afford to uproot their life and move abroad to the new office the big corporation has opened because it's decided to dodge the corporation tax.

The world seems to expect my generation to live till 450,000 years old to pay for everyone else to have a good time they clearly haven't earned, or they'd still have the money to pay for it and they wouldn't need the Government to give them triple locks and free tuition when, if they managed their finances remotely sensibly, the vast majority would never need either.

£27 my university degree cost me last month. Yet I'll have to pay for 100,000s of kids every year to have it for free rather than each of them pay the same each month out of the wage THEY'LL earn. Just a uni tax on the "ok to decent" wage bracket.
 
SWP's back said:
Can you quote your source as well cheers
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http://www.ukcrimestats.com/National_Picture/

Based on official figures from the ONS, as supplied by the Home Office. And even the relevant Parliamentary Committee, the Public Affairs Select Committee, was scathing about how targets were encouraging police forces to manipulate crime reports, claiming that you simply couldn't rely on recorded crime figures.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
http://www.ukcrimestats.com/National_Picture/

Based on official figures from the ONS, as supplied by the Home Office. And even the relevant Parliamentary Committee, the Public Affairs Select Committee, was scathing about how targets were encouraging police forces to manipulate crime reports, claiming that you simply couldn't rely on recorded crime figures.
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...tins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmar2016

Well it looks to me that crime hasn't worsened according to official statistics 2010-15 when the 20,000 officers were slashed and the crime survey shows people feeling safer doesn't it. You gonna say the crime survey is bollocks as well?

In fact it's considerably lower than it was in peak Labour 2000-2008.

But you'd argue black was white if you thought it would score a political point at the moment. You chose 2015-16 specially as a cherry pick and you know it.
 
SWP's back said:
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...tins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmar2016

Well it looks to me that crime hasn't worsened according to official statistics 2010-15 when the 20,000 officers were slashed and the crime survey shows people feeling safer doesn't it. You gonna say the crime survey is bollocks as well?

In fact it's considerably lower than it was in peak Labour 2000-2008.

But you'd argue black was white if you thought it would score a political point at the moment. You chose 2015-16 specially as a cherry pick and you know it.
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I might be missing something here but those little red bars appear to be getting bigger more recently.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I might be missing something here but those little red bars appear to be getting bigger more recently.
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You're not an idiot Colin and you know full well what you're doing.

And you're totally ignoring the crime survey results. Which is odd as they don't just take "recorded police crime" into account. "Recorded police crime" being something you loaned about two posts ago.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
He's wrong though. Yes they lost. Like they were predicted too. but the tide has turned ... people are swaying to a socialist/left government in the shape of Corbyn and if we can keep the momentum going it will happen. This will be better for everyone.
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No, it won't. It's a complete myth. It might be better for a few on the bottom rung of the ladder, but for everyone else, the higher taxes, slower growth, higher debts and higher unemployment will make them worse off. And then we'll have to have yet another 10 years of austerity to fix it again.

You cannot take loads of money off people, vastly increase borrowing and dump all that liquidity into an economy that does not have the capacity to absorb it. All it will do is push up prices, increase the trade deficit, weaken the pound, give people paper pay awards that aren't worth anything in real terms, and put is back into recession. In short, a return to boom and bust. Without so much of the boom.

I'm sorry you've fallen for it, but you have. Hook, line and sinker.
 
SWP's back said:
You're not an idiot Colin and you know full well what you're doing.

And you're totally ignoring the crime survey results. Which is odd as they don't just take "recorded police crime" into account. "Recorded police crime" being something you loaned about two posts ago.
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Traditional crime (theft, assault, vehicle) has indeed been decreasing but the Crime Survey figures don't include the more than 6m cyber and computer-related crimes that are committed annually currently and weren't recorded up to recently. So the actual level is around 12m crimes. Organised criminals have been moving into this area of crime as they know the police will do fuck all.

And these figures don't take into account crimes solved, just those recorded. It's a fairly simple hypothesis that 15% less police officers are going to solve less crime and aren't going to respond to a lot of it. My comment was based on anecdotal evidence I've repeatedly heard that the police aren't interested if you try to report a financial fraud and also my own personal experience. Me and quite a few other IT contractors were defrauded out out many thousands of pounds each by a rogue who was supposed to be holding money payable to HMRC and then fucked off with it, putting the company into liquidation. The police wouldn't touch it.
 
Would have been easier to admit that crime is no more now than it was in 2010 and it's considerably lower than it was ten and fifteen years ago during the days of non-austerity.

And that's according the police's own figures.

The crime survey figures are even more damning to your theory.
 
As an aside, I wonder how many students voted at home and at Uni?
Nothing to stop it from happening, even though it is a crime. I thought about the possibility in 1983 - there was nothing to stop me then. But I was a good boy and only voted in one place. I checked registration procedures today and believe it or not it's still possible!
 
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You'd have thought Corbyn had won the election the way he's going on. Obviously didn't see the final figures.
The conservatives won and are still the most popular party.

Conservaties have had a disastrous campaign but thank god Corbyn is not in.
He's not fit to run the government.
 
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