Premiership Proven Players Required

[coxtheblue]

We need proven premiership players to take us to the next level. There is no point getting world class superstars from abroad until we have a good team in the premiership first.

Look at the signings by Sven and compare then to O'Neill at Villa

Garrido - Will come good but struggled at first.
Elano - Sporadic form and unfortunately not got the fight for the premiership
Corluka - Sold to spuds.
Boj - Think he will be good enough - problems with injuries.
Petrov - Class and deffo a success in premiership.
Caciedo - Struggled to settle, showed a little bit of form.

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Ashley Young - Developing into world class player - taking premiership by storm
Nigel Reo-Coker - Doesnt set the world alight but a solid premiership player
Steve Sidwell - Playing really well since getting in the villa team.
Curtis Davies / Zak Knight - Both good solid defenders and a lot better than we have.
Marlon Harewood - Not the best forward but knows the premiership and how to play in this league.

I think in all the above signings we probably spent the same money as villa. They have however go a lot of better players for the premiership and are flying high.

Really think we need to turn to the parkers, toure, RSC of this world until we are good enough to go to the next level.

Does anyone agree???

 

[Hooch]

We need proven premiership players to take us to the next level. There is no point getting world class superstars from abroad until we have a good team in the premiership first.

Look at the signings by Sven and compare then to O'Neill at Villa

Garrido - Will come good but struggled at first. - £1.5m
Elano - Sporadic form and unfortunately not got the fight for the premiership - £8m
Corluka - Sold to spuds. - £7m
Boj - Think he will be good enough - problems with injuries. - £6m
Petrov - Class and deffo a success in premiership. - £5m
Caciedo - Struggled to settle, showed a little bit of form. - £5m

Total= £32.5m
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Ashley Young - Developing into world class player - taking premiership by storm - £9.75m
Nigel Reo-Coker - Doesnt set the world alight but a solid premiership player - £8.5m
Steve Sidwell - Playing really well since getting in the villa team. - £5m
Curtis Davies / Zak Knight - Both good solid defenders and a lot better than we have. - £10m and £3.5m
Marlon Harewood - Not the best forward but knows the premiership and how to play in this league. - £4.5m

Total= £41.25m

I think in all the above signings we probably spent the same money as villa. They have however go a lot of better players for the premiership and are flying high.

Really think we need to turn to the parkers, toure, RSC of this world until we are good enough to go to the next level.

Does anyone agree???

 

[bobmcfc]

throw villa 20m for gareth barry then. put him on 100k a week

 

[coxtheblue]

We need proven premiership players to take us to the next level. There is no point getting world class superstars from abroad until we have a good team in the premiership first.

Look at the signings by Sven and compare then to O'Neill at Villa

Garrido - Will come good but struggled at first. - £1.5m
Elano - Sporadic form and unfortunately not got the fight for the premiership - £8m
Corluka - Sold to spuds. - £7m
Boj - Think he will be good enough - problems with injuries. - £6m
Petrov - Class and deffo a success in premiership. - £5m
Caciedo - Struggled to settle, showed a little bit of form. - £5m

Total= £32.5m
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Ashley Young - Developing into world class player - taking premiership by storm - £9.75m
Nigel Reo-Coker - Doesnt set the world alight but a solid premiership player - £8.5m
Steve Sidwell - Playing really well since getting in the villa team. - £5m
Curtis Davies / Zak Knight - Both good solid defenders and a lot better than we have. - £10m and £3.5m
Marlon Harewood - Not the best forward but knows the premiership and how to play in this league. - £4.5m

Total= £41.25m

I think in all the above signings we probably spent the same money as villa. They have however go a lot of better players for the premiership and are flying high.

Really think we need to turn to the parkers, toure, RSC of this world until we are good enough to go to the next level.

Does anyone agree???

Good stuff adding the values mate - what do you think the re-sale values would be now though.

Premiership players all the way for me.

 

[DAGW]

I said when we got Bridge ahead of Lahm it was the right choice.

Home grown here in england
no language barrier
knows english players
used to the premiership

good signing



However i think that there are players out there that would settle fairly easily;

Yaya?
Schweinsteiger?
Lucio?

These're strong players who play good basic football to a tremendously high standard. Premiership talent can be matched by players from abroad - i agree not as frequently but they are out there.

 

[moomba]

I think you're overestimating the quality of some of the villa players. I mean Zat Knight ffs.

We should be looking at the best players we can get, whether they are local or not.

Of the villa list, I would only be interested in Young or Davies.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

What does proven players mean? If they have been successful in the prem they are at one of the big 2 clubs in which case they are not for sale to us unless they are past it or have been replaced with better players. That doesn't help us.

 

[orangehippo]

Hi i'm newbie in the community. The topic caught my eye. What exactly do you mean by proven? I always think that we should get players who have promise, and I think that's what everyone does but it's always different how these players would react, some would play very well and exceed expectations but some would disappoint.

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[Anonymous]

Great OP...problem is that the supporters have been sucked into this "richest club in the world" mentality, whereby, players like Scott Parker just aren't sexy enough names for them.

Would love to know who these great centre forwards, defensive midfielders, and centre backs are who we can buy in January from across Europe...

Before people start listing names, there's no point in suggesting players whose clubs are playing in the chumps league...they just ain't selling...

You'd think we'd learned our lesson from Sven about buying European players with "potential". And we don't need potential...we need "good enough now"....

 

[moomba]

Great OP...problem is that the supporters have been sucked into this "richest club in the world" mentality, whereby, players like Scott Parker just aren't sexy enough names for them.

Would love to know who these great centre forwards, defensive midfielders, and centre backs are who we can buy in January from across Europe...

Before people start listing names, there's no point in suggesting players whose clubs are playing in the chumps league...they just ain't selling...

You'd think we'd learned our lesson from Sven about buying European players with "potential". And we don't need potential...we need "good enough now"....

It has nothing to do with the likes of Parker not being sexy enough, they are simply not good enough to move us forward as a club. Bridge was a good signing if not a bit overpriced, more of that sort of signing (ie players that will be able to contribute to a run at the top4/6 in a year or two) are what we should be looking at.

 

[Anonymous]

It has nothing to do with the likes of Parker not being sexy enough, they are simply not good enough to move us forward as a club. Bridge was a good signing if not a bit overpriced, more of that sort of signing (ie players that will be able to contribute to a run at the top4/6 in a year or two) are what we should be looking at.

It's all good and well saying we need players that will be able to contribute to a top 4/6 run in a year or two...but where are these players...? Who are they?

You either go into Europe to buy them, in which case you're basically either buying potential, or paying way over the odds for a player who may or may not adapt...or you buy from the premiership, which as is being proven at the moment, is next to impossible.

I mean RSC for over 15 million pounds...get fucked...he's just not worth that. But that's what we have to pay, and that's not prudent to do over and over again. I certainly don't think Bridge was over priced at all...

 

[moomba]

It's all good and well saying we need players that will be able to contribute to a top 4/6 run in a year or two...but where are these players...? Who are they?

Like I said, Bridge is one. I have reservations on Santa Cruz but he is potentially another. Toure is one, Owen is one. There are plenty about, and while we'll probably have to overpay for them at least we would be overpaying for quality.

Buying from overseas does not equate to buyiong potential, buying the likes of Essien, Drogba etc didn't hurt Chelsea too much and I'd rather buy potential in the knowledge that not all of them will work out than buy players that are never going to be good enough.

 

[blueyorkie]

Or

My Take--

Garrido - Will come good but struggled at first. OK
Elano - Class player played out of position by Hughes, will be briliant again but sadly unlikely to be for us
Corluka - Looked good, Sold to spuds. Hughes feels Zabaleta abetter bet. Could be right
Boj - Think he will be good enough - problems with injuries. Who knows hope so!
Petrov - Class and deffo a success in premiership.
Caciedo - Struggled to settle, showed a little bit of form.Jury out



Ashley Young - Much improved , would have to be mad to refer to him as World Class not even an established international let alone one of the best on the planet(definition of World Class)
Nigel Reo-Coker - Poor , West ham couldn't wait to get shut
Steve Sidwell - Fair to average, similar to Scot Parker
Curtis Davies / Zak Knight - Both Championship players.Would struggle without the Classy Laursen
Marlon Harewood - Poor


"I think in all the above signings we probably spent the same money as villa. They have however go a lot of better players for the premiership and are flying high. "????????????

Not so ,

O'Neill has been there for several years and has taken time to build his team. Whilst Laursen, young and Carew have been good he has signed some right duck eggs, Reo Coker, Harewood, Davis, Knight , Young and Shorey come to mind straight off.

Really think we need to turn to the parkers, toure, RSC of this world until we are good enough to go to the next level.

Maybe but we could do with some keynote signings to complment the proven Prem players

 

[forevermancity]

Ashley Young,, Quality
NRC,, Average, certainly not better than Kompany
Marlon Harewood,,,Are you sure you meant to put him in the list? No better than Vassell
Sidwell,,, No better than Scott Parker and not a patch on Stevie
Curtis Davies / Zak Knight,,,Not a mpatch on an in form Micah or Nedum

It seems to be a trend to overrate Villa players at the moment, im sure MON will agree that the best thing they have had is TIME

 

[blue 1992]

i could't agree more with the original post. is suggest we sign the following:

given - we do have a goalie crisis and desperatly need someone to push joe for his 1st place, and he has proven himself at the barcodes for 10yrs and is higly experienced.

arteta - very skilfull, strong,worh about 10 mil and been at everton for 3 yrs.

michael owen - very experienced, english and could teach jo a thing or two.

carvalho - realistic, used to playing at the top, a key part in cheleas squad and would easily replace dunne.

 

[Cheltblue]

i could't agree more with the original post. is suggest we sign the following:

given - we do have a goalie crisis and desperatly need someone to push joe for his 1st place, and he has proven himself at the barcodes for 10yrs and is higly experienced.

arteta - very skilfull, strong,worh about 10 mil and been at everton for 3 yrs.

michael owen - very experienced, english and could teach jo a thing or two.

carvalho - realistic, used to playing at the top, a key part in cheleas squad and would easily replace dunne.

I disagree with the OP, it does not need to be Prem Players...... just f*ckin good players.

Having said that 1992, i agree 100% with the players you name. And Carvalho is one of the very best in the world.

 

[Anonymous]

Like I said, Bridge is one. I have reservations on Santa Cruz but he is potentially another. Toure is one, Owen is one. There are plenty about, and while we'll probably have to overpay for them at least we would be overpaying for quality.

But we're already in for Toure...and Owen has been linked with us, but is not really suited to playing the lone strikers role. Any others?

Its very easy to say "player x is average, we need better" - but who are these better players? You've named two, one of whom it's common knowledge Hughes is going for.

Buying from overseas does not equate to buyiong potential, buying the likes of Essien, Drogba etc didn't hurt Chelsea too much and I'd rather buy potential in the knowledge that not all of them will work out than buy players that are never going to be good enough.

C'mon, you're smarter than that. Essien and Drogba had the pick of European clubs to go to. They were the equivalent of Villa or Benzema in terms of the demand for them.

 

[moomba]

But we're already in for Toure...and Owen has been linked with us, but is not really suited to playing the lone strikers role. Any others?

Its very easy to say "player x is average, we need better" - but who are these better players? You've named two, one of whom it's common knowledge Hughes is going for.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The op named some names (Harewood/Knight etc, you've named a name (Parker). I've said we've got to be looking at better than that type of player. That includes the likes of Toure, Owen etc and if we can get them it will be good business.

C'mon, you're smarter than that. Essien and Drogba had the pick of European clubs to go to. They were the equivalent of Villa or Benzema in terms of the demand for them.

We do have a few selling points about the club. And we have a lot to offer the next Essien or Drogba. And like I've said if we overpay for real quality then I don't have a problem at all.

 

[mr t]

I said when we got Bridge ahead of Lahm it was the right choice.

Home grown here in england
no language barrier
knows english players
used to the premiership

good signing

I think that the language barrier is a really good point.

Don't know if Zabaleta speaks English or Richards speaks Spanish but I've noticed that they don't seem to communicate at all at the back during matches and could be one of the reasons why our defending is letting us down.

No such issues between Dunne and Bridge.

 

[M.C.F.C.]

What about Dean Ashton, Martins or Yakubu for the striker we need, Tom Huddlestone for DM, Steven Taylor or Upson for the Defence, if we don't get Given what about Rob Green!??