President Joe Biden

[cjn]

And Obama did nothing, just caved in.

A. We were talking about whether Obama had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and he very clearly didn't, because of Joe Lieberman.

B. I supported a public option at the time (and still do), but it was likely never passing the Senate. In fact, reporting in August of 2009 only counted 43 Senators in favor. It likely wouldn't have matter what the President did, and the choice was either the ACA as written or nothing. I'm happy we passed the ACA as written given that choice.

How Many Votes Does the Public Option Have? How Many Does it Need?

Earlier I suggested that the public option probably does not have the votes to pass the the U.S. Senate. Let’s examine this in a bit more detail.Open Left’s Chr…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

A. We were talking about whether Obama had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and he very clearly didn't, because of Joe Lieberman.

B. I supported a public option at the time (and still do), but it was likely never passing the Senate. In fact, reporting in August of 2009 only counted 43 Senators in favor. It likely wouldn't have matter what the President did, and the choice was either the ACA as written or nothing. I'm happy we passed the ACA as written given that choice.

How Many Votes Does the Public Option Have? How Many Does it Need?

Earlier I suggested that the public option probably does not have the votes to pass the the U.S. Senate. Let’s examine this in a bit more detail.Open Left’s Chr…

fivethirtyeight.com

Ping: Assertion with evidence.
Pong: Your assertion is wrong. Your evidence is wrong.
Ping: My evidence is correct. Repeat assertion.
Pong: Your evidence is wrong. Here is proof it is wrong.
Ping: Long pause . . . . Assertion without evidence.

 

[west didsblue]

Ping: Assertion with evidence.
Pong: Your assertion is wrong. Your evidence is wrong.
Ping: My evidence is correct. Repeat assertion.
Pong: Your evidence is wrong. Here is proof it is wrong.
Ping: Long pause . . . . Assertion without evidence.

Ping is a big Trumper. On that basis he doesn’t need evidence and is perfectly entitled to make up whatever “facts” he wants.

 

[Mancityus]

Obama, how could he have done anything as even though he had filibuster proof Senate, one guy said he did not agree so Obama went had no choice but to go to Europe for his speeches.

Ping apologists of Obama know how difficult it was to pass anything with just 60 Senate Democrats in caucus.

Obviously in past it was so easy for Presidents like Lyndon Johnson or Lincoln and others, everyone used to agree with Presidents always and all senators used to just turn up to stamp the votes. The ping apologists know it so well, those were the days.

 

[cjn]

Obama, how could he have done anything as even though he had filibuster proof Senate, one guy said he did not agree so Obama went had no choice but to go to Europe for his speeches.

Ping apologists of Obama know how difficult it was to pass anything with just 60 Senate Democrats in caucus.

Obviously in past it was so easy for Presidents like Lyndon Johnson or Lincoln and others, everyone used to agree with Presidents always and all senators used to just turn up to stamp the votes. The ping apologists know it so well, those were the days.

It's not that you and I disagree on an opinion, its that what you keep asserting is not fucking true. Joe Lieberman is not and was not a Democrat. He endorsed John McCain! He said on television that he would filibuster the ACA had his demands not been met. Obama did not have a filibuster proof Senate during the healthcare debate and the idea that he sat on his hands during this time when he could've been passing whatever he wanted to is false. I welcome any rebuttal to this but there is not one that is based on anything resembling the truth.

You can watch noted Democrat Joe Lieberman speaking at the 2008 Republican Convention right here:

Senator Lieberman 2008 Convention Speech

Sen. Joseph Lieberman spoke to delegates at the Republican National Convention about the necessity of bi-partisanship and his support for Sen. John McCain.

www.c-span.org

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Obama, how could he have done anything as even though he had filibuster proof Senate, one guy said he did not agree so Obama went had no choice but to go to Europe for his speeches.

Ping apologists of Obama know how difficult it was to pass anything with just 60 Senate Democrats in caucus.

Obviously in past it was so easy for Presidents like Lyndon Johnson or Lincoln and others, everyone used to agree with Presidents always and all senators used to just turn up to stamp the votes. The ping apologists know it so well, those were the days.

I voted for Mitt Romney. I just understand what a fact is. Oh no, wait, I must be an apologist.

How can our country function when people who are wrong can’t admit it? Turn in your math test, get a 74, but say to the teacher “Yo, woman, I deserved a 97.” Is that how things worked? I must have missed that.

 

[SWP's back]

I voted for Mitt Romney. I just understand what a fact is. Oh no, wait, I must be an apologist.

How can our country function when people who are wrong can’t admit it? Turn in your math test, get a 74, but say to the teacher “Yo, woman, I deserved a 97.” Is that how things worked? I must have missed that.

Why are you even bothering with a pro-Trumper? You’re wasting your breath. We all know he’s talking bollocks.

 

[Bigga]

Anybody see AOC's giant middle to Biden/ the DNC...? No...?



Good on her, using her official minute to hit the Dem Party back hard!

Fook 'em!

 

[Bigga]

I wonder if it was 'convention' to belittle herself, Sanders and the movement they were a part of, in the single minute she was granted?

'Convention' aside, it seemed pretty barbed, as a response to the party, that she would have made anyway.

 

[pudge]

Anybody see AOC's giant middle to Biden/ the DNC...? No...?



Good on her, using her official minute to hit the Dem Party back hard!

Fook 'em!

It was standard procedure as he had gained the required number of delegates to receive a nomination.

She was specifically asked by the DNC to speak as she did on Sanders' behalf and "second" his nomination.

Not one or even two fingers up to anyone.