President Joe Biden

inbetween said:
California made up 12% of her popular vote so there isn't much relevance on that. Clintons problem was she was just edged out by the popular vote in the swing states like Florida.

The most interesting thing about Democrat voting is it generally comes as one sizeable majority in a city but then that popular vote is crowded out by cumulative Republican votes in smaller counties.

Texas is a good example, virtually all of Clintons vote there came from Houston and Dallas, but she lost most of everything left. In Florida she lost by a figure that could of been fixed by a greater turnout.

It seems to me their appeal is often limited by their failure to appeal to working class Americans which is strange given that is who the Democrats should be representing.

Maybe those other counties find it easier to swallow BS from people like Trump though... I don't know.
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I spent quite a bit of time working in the US and I'd explain it that people vote for aspirations. They vote for the one they believe can deliver the American Dream for them personally.
It doesn't matter how bad things are today for the country if they see that a candidate offers them better promises for them personally then that's who gets the vote.
Nobody wins who promises taxing the rich, because they all believe they can join the rich.
In the UK a lot more people vote for who promises a better society, not everyone but more do.
 
DrBlueBob said:
It will most certainly be two different debating styles. Should be interesting.
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It would be fascinating to see how both camps have prepared. Biden has had months and has been working with good people. Trump goes from one crisis to another and the more shit he is in the less he listens to anyone else.

You go into this sensing all the pressure is on Trump. He had nothing to lose in 2016 - in fact many believe he wanted a close second place. Hilary was the unpopular establishment and he was there to shake it up. Now he has a world of shit hanging over him. Not sure it will amount to much in the end but just watching how Trump handles it will be telling - does he go scorched earth bat shit crazy or does he try and play it with a bit of decorum.

Either way i think people have seen enough of both and they know who they are voting for.
 
Gaudion M said:
It would be fascinating to see how both camps have prepared. Biden has had months and has been working with good people. Trump goes from one crisis to another and the more shit he is in the less he listens to anyone else.

You go into this sensing all the pressure is on Trump. He had nothing to lose in 2016 - in fact many believe he wanted a close second place. Hilary was the unpopular establishment and he was there to shake it up. Now he has a world of shit hanging over him. Not sure it will amount to much in the end but just watching how Trump handles it will be telling - does he go scorched earth bat shit crazy or does he try and play it with a bit of decorum.

Either way i think people have seen enough of both and they know who they are voting for.
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I think that many people have decided but also believe that there are many votes to play for.

I agree that Trump is in a very different place compared to four years ago though.
 
TheBlueDune said:
I spent quite a bit of time working in the US and I'd explain it that people vote for aspirations. They vote for the one they believe can deliver the American Dream for them personally.
It doesn't matter how bad things are today for the country if they see that a candidate offers them better promises for them personally then that's who gets the vote.
Nobody wins who promises taxing the rich, because they all believe they can join the rich.
In the UK a lot more people vote for who promises a better society, not everyone but more do.
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This is interesting though because has any president promised to deliver anything that is any different and achieved it? I don't see how the American dream is fulfilled by voting in someone like Trump and well even Obama historically struggled to achieve anything.

In actual fact with Trump you are not voting on your aspirations but rather your prejudices. In 2016 Trump promised to do many things but this time he has only words against his enemies and not policy.

It's just a toxic place right now and it's gone far beyond voting for what's better or not because that should be completely obvious to any sane person.
 
lasereyes said:
What does "everything" even mean? The people? The media? Washington DC?
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"Everything"?

The interpretation of their constitution, the individual state ideology, the media, the main politicians, the brainwashed beliefs that the rich eat first.

"Everything".

Anyone who breaks free of that stranglehold of that thought and action is a 'radical'!
 
lasereyes said:
They are also completely divorced from reality. The hate capitalism and corporations. Yet 90% of people in US or UK work for corporations. Many (maybe most) of them also milk the system they claim to despise. Bernie made millions from book sales. He has also nicely sheltered his income to minimise his own tax rates.
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You miss the point as people with your POV do, continually.
 
DrBlueBob said:
Insipid looks terrific, notwithstanding the arguments against Biden. Apologies to @Bigga for that.
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Mate, don't apologise for having agreements and disagreements with POV.

I find myself despising both with every fibre of my being BUT can see why certain votes would be cast for either of them.

This is why I don't subscribe to the dumb false choice that is constantly served to me.
 
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