President Joe Biden

[mccity]

You’re welcome. Sorry about before — I’m a little on edge.

Np, appreciate the apology and answer, and in hindsight can understand your initial post :)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Genuine question chaps, if he has to drop out in disgrace or just never comes back out of the bunker what happens? Does the great Kamala take his place?

speaking of coming out of bunkers ...

 

[meltonblue]

So, now that it's over.


Is this guy set to be any good? Not compared to Trump I mean I just mean in isolation?

The problem with trying to answer that is good in politics is incredibly subjective and tends to depend on your own political leanings.

Personally, I think he’s the ideal first president post Trump. He can work across the floor in the senate, he won’t say anything particularly incendiary to any group and he’s got respect on the world stage already.

The next four years for the US are more about establishing normality again and bringing a modicum of maturity and honesty back to their political discourse. It wouldn’t be easy for anyone to try and bridge the divide they have, Biden is their best first step though.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

47 years is a lot. Plus I'd inherently lack the ability to intepret all that stuff and know where to look for conclusive analysis without obvious risk of biases that I'd be unaware of. So I ask in good faith for someone who's more learned, such as yourself for instance to give me a simple run down. Or at least provide me with safe avenues to research on the internet without falling down rabbit holes of inaccurate propaganda.


Now most of my other questions here and in the other threads have been answered very politely so far by BM posters who can see that I'm genuinely curious and obviously not masquerading a pro-Trump/anti-Biden agenda, including the one above you.


Right now, to me, you look like an insecure prized nobhead after that post, which I'm sure isn't the image you want to portray, right?


So I'll ask you, in good faith, do you think Biden is material for a good president? And why?

Time will tell.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yes.

"Why?" isn't a simple question like "Is Aguero still hurt?"

Experience matters. Kindness matters. Moderation matters. Likeability matters. He has all of those. I agree with 74.346% of his positions politically. He's respected by our allies -- I think. He's historically been a consensus-builder. I think he's doing this as selflessly as any candidate, because he didn't need to, and I wouldn't be surprised if he steps down after one term because he recognizes his job is to heal first, then grow.

Is that enough? If it isn't, go read the whole thread top to bottom.

74.346% you say.
I sense you are being wilfully vague. What are you trying to hide Foggy?

 

[domalino]

True but that doesn't really answer anything. I genuinely don't know if Biden is the right guy for president, telling me he is less shit than Trump doesn't seem too exciting.

It's like saying Roy Hodgson is a good manager because he's better than Frank de Boer.

Which is an apt similie because De Boer would have relegated Crystal Palace.

Hodgson kept them up and functioning.

A boring, inoffensive yet uninspiring centrist is what was needed. Let's see how the more progressive candidates do when Biden has had a few years to bring in some big policies and people realise that things like single payer healthcare or a normal western tax structure is not radical socialism.

Let's see the new Voting rights act pass - then you can try a progressive platform when the people who are likely to favour that aren't being suppressed.

 

[domalino]

Why is it that every few days we get someone who comes into the thread and says "oh hey guys no bias here and I've only seen these right wing edited videos/tweets/20 year old comments but I think this Biden guy might not be so great!"?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Why is it that every few days we get someone who comes into the thread and says "oh hey guys no bias here and I've only seen these right wing edited videos/tweets/20 year old comments but I think this Biden guy might not be so great!"?

My guess is that they “kinda liked the populist guy”, whilst not knowing anything about the politics involved.

It‘s likely to become more common as people have no clue about politics (in general), but have access to a billion different opinions on social media.

When you have no clue, you’ll tag on to the view that most resonates to.

When that person is voted out, you’ll get people asking why they could possibly be better than their choice.

 

[br88]

I think it's great that America has got a decent guy as President again instead of the lying snake that is Trump. Trump was also a tax dodger, a cowardly draft dodger and I just cannot comprehend how 70 million people could vote for the Putin lover to get four more years in power.... that's very scary to me.

 

[mccity]

Which is an apt similie because De Boer would have relegated Crystal Palace.

Hodgson kept them up and functioning.

A boring, inoffensive yet uninspiring centrist is what was needed. Let's see how the more progressive candidates do when Biden has had a few years to bring in some big policies and people realise that things like single payer healthcare or a normal western tax structure is not radical socialism.

Let's see the new Voting rights act pass - then you can try a progressive platform when the people who are likely to favour that aren't being suppressed.

Thanks, I appreciate you building on top of my analogy. It actually took me a while to think of good ones and I was very deliberate to settle on that one in particular.

Why is it that every few days we get someone who comes into the thread and says "oh hey guys no bias here and I've only seen these right wing edited videos/tweets/20 year old comments but I think this Biden guy might not be so
great!"?

That's not what I said and I think you're aware. My choice of analogy was in response to someone else too remember. Apologies if you didn't have me in mind.

My guess is that they “kinda liked the populist guy”, whilst not knowing anything about the politics involved.

It‘s likely to become more common as people have no clue about politics (in general), but have access to a billion different opinions on social media.

When you have no clue, you’ll tag on to the view that most resonates to.

When that person is voted out, you’ll get people asking why they could possibly be better than their choice.

For people like myself who don't pay much attention to the political landscape we only see so much. I see a lot of Trump hate. I see a lot of Republican hate. Most of the information I receive off of social media is generally some kind of negative response to some right wing (apologies if the wrong term) angle or action or stance or whatever. I put this down to my demographic and social circles. As a result I personally don't see much Democrat hate or Republican love in, or Trump love in. I very rarely have political conversations to begin with, especially those outside of my social circles and demos that would likely support these ideals.

Point is, because I don't actively pay too much attention, I very rarely see anything pro Republican, pro Trump, and in this case Democratic related either way. I spent a good year wondering why everyone was getting so hyped about Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain when everyone in the US was talking about AOC, for example. I know what Trump did about keeping immigrants in cages and stuff was bad because my social media was filled with very upset people, but that doesn't tell my anything about what the Democratic policy would be.

Now this entire election has been TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. Here's what he's had to tweet. Here's what he said in front of the Alabama gun fuckers club. Here's him giving an interview where he's saying that Iran will pay for their deeds. Blah blah blah. Also here's what his crazy son said...

Meanwhile I really know nothing about Biden. Like nothing. Well I knew he was Obama's VP, and he was pretty popular at the time. He was constantly referenced on a show I watched called Parks and Recreation, but that's about it. This stuff about him being creepy is news to me. That's how out of the loop I am. So comparing him to Obama, Bush, Clinton etc seems far beyond my remit. It's probably not right, but given it's politics of another country to my own I don't feel it's my responsibility per se to keep up with it if I don't want to.

As you can see by my post history, I haven't made any efforts to interact on this election until election night itself, where I was mostly asking what was going on. It's generally easier for someone who gets what's going on to explain it all to you, as many have above for me, than to go away and do the research on something you're admittedly ill-informed on.


So me personally, I only asked because I genuinely don't know, and didn't see the point in asking until I was sure Biden would win. This is a 320 page 7 month old thread that is not worth going through if I can avoid it.


As an aside, I've noticed on social media such as this and many others, asking questions can be difficult. I think so many people can be so dickish and sly and argumentative to one another that we've reached a stage that when someone comes along asks a question it is assumed that they MUST have an angle (because they often do). I've merely asked whether Biden will be good or not, and now two people have kind of suggested that it's the old enlightened centrist angle (my friend taught me that term) of pretending to be neutral when actually I'm pushing a right wing agenda. I can see why both did it, and I've probably done it myself 1000 times in the Jesus thread. But it'd be nice given my obvious lack of presence and history of not being a wum to at least assume I was posting in good-ish faith.