President Joe Biden

SWP's back said:
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Yep. So if you can't drag him down, you have to demonize Democrats generally. But that message doesn't work with Democrats, who Trump needs to either stay home, or vote for him. During the primaries, Democrats recognized this. Bernie Sanders would have been easy for Trump to demonize -- not the man, but his Progressive politics.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Yep. So if you can't drag him down, you have to demonize Democrats generally. But that message doesn't work with Democrats, who Trump needs to either stay home, or vote for him. During the primaries, Democrats recognized this. Bernie Sanders would have been easy for Trump to demonize -- not the man, but his Progressive politics.
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^^^
This guy gets it.
 
Bigga said:
Hasan gets it...

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There are so many things wrong with this video, I don't have enough RAM to write them all down. Here and there he's funny.

But Hasan, here's a newsflash: ranked choice voting would still have resulted in Biden winning the Democratic nomination, and Trump winning the Republican one.

Why?

BECAUSE RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS IN EFFECT EXACTLY HOW PRIMARIES ULTIMATELY WORK, DUDE. But instead of the same voters narrowing down the candidates each time, different voters in different states do it depending on when their primaries are. Plus the delegate votes are, in many states, proportional, NOT winner take all! Biden was the highest vote-getting moderate and Sanders the highest vote-getting progressive early on. When their rivals from similar factions dropped out, Biden cleaned up because the MAJORITY of democrats either want a moderate policy set, like Joe or (like me and I bet many others) saw Biden as more likely to defeat Trump (and we're being proven right daily, so far).

Voting against who you hate doesn't always happen. I don't believe I've ever done it in a Presidential election ever until 2016, nor can I recall many times I've done it in others. This is a bit of a unique situation to the times we are in, not necessarily a red flag for the breakdown of winner-takes-all politics or the crowding out of minority (opinion, not race/creed/religion/etc.) voices. It's funny how I never saw videos like this before Trump was elected.

Also, does he realize there have been third parties in the USA for, like, ever? Why do they not gain any traction? It's not because of "winner take all" elections -- it's because the major parties have historically occupied the broader middle ground in an extraordinarily large and diverse society. The stringent ideological arguments have typically been on the fringes of "majority rule". Ross Perot, George Wallace, even Teddy Roosevelt of the Bull Moose party all had the force of personality to form third parties but they inevitably split the votes of the parties from which they emanated. And even if we had ranked choice voting, those that support candidates that don't make the run-off feel just as disenfranchised, don't they?

Incidentally, there are plenty of local elections that aren't winner take all. School boards, hospital boards, town planning commissions -- many operate on a ranked or "pick three of eight" system and have done for decades.

That there's some split between wings among Democrats isn't some great discovery. I have to go all the way back to about 2 million BC to find a party not encumbered by ideological splits.

Anyhow, Progressives are welcome to form a 3rd party whenever they like (AFTER Trump is gone). I am hopeful Nazis, Proud Boys, Tea Partyers, etc. do it BEFORE the November election.

But hell -- let's move to ranked choice voting too, why not? Would you like to guess what will happen?

Also -- can someone explain why a "big tent" is bad???
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
There are so many things wrong with this video, I don't have enough RAM to write them all down. Here and there he's funny.

But Hasan, here's a newsflash: ranked choice voting would still have resulted in Biden winning the Democratic nomination, and Trump winning the Republican one.

Why?

BECAUSE RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS IN EFFECT EXACTLY HOW PRIMARIES ULTIMATELY WORK, DUDE. But instead of the same voters narrowing down the candidates each time, different voters in different states do it depending on when their primaries are. Plus the delegate votes are, in many states, proportional, NOT winner take all! Biden was the highest vote-getting moderate and Sanders the highest vote-getting progressive early on. When their rivals from similar factions dropped out, Biden cleaned up because the MAJORITY of democrats either want a moderate policy set, like Joe or (like me and I bet many others) saw Biden as more likely to defeat Trump (and we're being proven right daily, so far).

Voting against who you hate doesn't always happen. I don't believe I've ever done it in a Presidential election ever until 2016, nor can I recall many times I've done it in others. This is a bit of a unique situation to the times we are in, not necessarily a red flag for the breakdown of winner-takes-all politics or the crowding out of minority (opinion, not race/creed/religion/etc.) voices. It's funny how I never saw videos like this before Trump was elected.

Also, does he realize there have been third parties in the USA for, like, ever? Why do they not gain any traction? It's not because of "winner take all" elections -- it's because the major parties have historically occupied the broader middle ground in an extraordinarily large and diverse society. The stringent ideological arguments have typically been on the fringes of "majority rule". Ross Perot, George Wallace, even Teddy Roosevelt of the Bull Moose party all had the force of personality to form third parties but they inevitably split the votes of the parties from which they emanated. And even if we had ranked choice voting, those that support candidates that don't make the run-off feel just as disenfranchised, don't they?

Incidentally, there are plenty of local elections that aren't winner take all. School boards, hospital boards, town planning commissions -- many operate on a ranked or "pick three of eight" system and have done for decades.

That there's some split between wings among Democrats isn't some great discovery. I have to go all the way back to about 2 million BC to find a party not encumbered by ideological splits.

Anyhow, Progressives are welcome to form a 3rd party whenever they like (AFTER Trump is gone). I am hopeful Nazis, Proud Boys, Tea Partyers, etc. do it BEFORE the November election.

But hell -- let's move to ranked choice voting too, why not? Would you like to guess what will happen?

Also -- can someone explain why a "big tent" is bad???
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I have a busy day today with my granddaughter coming over and maybe the the next day or two with other things, but this was a meaty and thought out response (I actually liked it) that I can get my teeth in to, at some point.

I will be popping on and off BM, here and there, but I will get to this when I can!
 
https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

Biden with a sizeable lead currently
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