President Trump

Telling Zelensky that he is 'not in a position to dictate' demonstrates Trump to a tee.
Ukraine was invaded. Blaming Zelensky, or failing to offer full support alongside the international community for Ukraine, is an immoral position, as is demanding natural resources as 'payment' for helping resolve the situation. In trying to be the big man, Donald, IMO, demonstrates what a small man he is, when the world requires a diplomatic Colossus.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Agree to some extent. MAGA sans Trump would seem to lack as popular a leader. The sentiment remains though.
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I concur but sans Trump it would fragment. Different factions would emerge weakening the whole movement from its current cohesive state.
 
west didsblue said:
As most people have suggested, it was a set up. There were two possible outcomes which would have ended with the same result.

One would have been Zelenskyy caving in and signing the deal which would have handed over mineral rights with no security guarantees, a deal which would have fallen apart almost immediately with no changes to Russia’s belligerence and ultimately victory for Putin with Ukraine’s wealth shared by Russia and the US.

The second was what happened. Zelenskyy refused to cave in and Shitgibbon and Vance would start the bullshit that he’s ungrateful and doesn’t want peace followed by a withdrawal of support leaving a clear run for Russia and a pay off by Putin.

The problem now for Trump is that they overplayed it and made himself and Vance look like a pair of gangsters trying to strongman a weaker gang to kowtow to them leaving Ukraine’s European allies little choice but to double down on their support for Ukraine. Even some Trump appeasing posters on here are now being openly critical of the orange ****. If that’s happening here I can only imagine it’s eroding his support at home now it’s even clearer he’s up Putin’s arse.

Dangerous times ahead.
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It was a total set up and as you say, Zelensky could not win. Even if he got up and walked out because of the way he was being treated he would have lost. Meanwhile we invite the absolute **** (Trump) to a state visit with all the trimmings. What an absolute shit show. Thanks USA.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Completely disagree - but we're both speculating. My upbringing in the US informs me that you are almost certainly wrong... but it's simply my opinion versus yours. I do agree that MAGA will be less effective without Trump unless they find another charismatic leader. But MAGA is here to stay - with or without Trump - for decades.

Time will tell - 4 or more years from now. I hope I'm wrong - but I very much don't think so at all.
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Maga is not about Trump, however Trump is the biggest salesman of the Maga idea. Its an idea of returning America to the good old days - lynching certain types, assaulting the opposite sex and having the media blame women for bringing it upon themselves, minstrel shows ridiculing other races, denying women the right to vote, an entirely white police force that commits all types of attrocities and goes scot-free thanks to an entirely white judicial system, forcing women against their will to get pregnant to boost the white population in the United States.

These are not made up stuff, its all in their manifesto and Elon has let it slip on a few occasions, that's why he has 13 kids (unfortunately he can't do it naturally due to some weird botched enlargement procedure, his last 2 baby mamas all confirmed this).

These are just some of the reasons why MAGA sentiment is really strong and has transcended across borders even now you have the newly founded "indigneous" Afrikaans people who used to "wrongly self identify" as European boers but have only just found out that they originally inhabited South Africa for 10,000 years, singing the apartheid era national anthem and calling for Trump to make South Africa Great again and bring about regime change.

Simply put, MAGA is a safe space for degenerates and tinpot tyrants.
 
laserblue said:
Beyond ironic seeing as Putin emptied his jails of at least 140,000 hardened criminals to throw into the front line as well as having 12,000 North Korean troops and a seemingly inexaustible supply of Iranian made attack drones.
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Irony implies a state of affairs contrary to expectation - perhaps wildly, even diametrically so. We're well beyond irony now as we consider MAGA support for Putin.

You know what would be ironic?: Trump condemning Putin and pledging military aid for Ukraine.
 
blueinsa said:
Trump is a fucking puppet imo for this **** and the other cunts like Musk etc pulling his strings.

Vance is a fucking lunatic and he was disgraceful yesterday and for me was the main instigator for what transpired.
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The way he sat there all smug and proud of himself, would love to have knocked fuck out of him and took his eyes.
 
Trump's performance shamed America. Vance's intervention was a staged set up designed to humiliate Zelenskyy and please Putin. Zelenskyy was trying to respond in his non-native language while Trump and Vance just shouted him down and Trump had the gall to tell Zelenskyy he'd already spoken too much.

I just wish someone would publicly ask Trump if he realises that Russia also illegally occupies 20% of Georgia as well the Transnistria region of Moldova and to explain how that doesn't prove Putin is an expansionist aggressor who can't be trusted. Trump's too stupid to understand that in a global geopolitical context a stronger Russia makes America weaker and that he's been played by Putin for years. He thinks he's great friends with Putin but in reality he's just his useful idiot.
 
Scottyboi said:
The way he sat there all smug and proud of himself, would love to have knocked fuck out of him and took his eyes.
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You’d smudge his eye liner. Vance looks like a guy who’s never been punched and would just cry. A snivelling little coward sooking up to the big boys.
 
The real Trump shown his true colours, an arrogant bully, that should never have happened infront of the cameras unless it was a pre meditated attack.
Vance is a thundercunt, also the stooge journalist who started the attack by criticising Zelenski for not wearing a suit.
Putin is laughing his cock off, his puppet is doing all his spade work.
Makes me angrier that both Starmer and Macron were sucking the orange cunts cock earlier this week.
 
Scottyboi said:
The way he sat there all smug and proud of himself, would love to have knocked fuck out of him and took his eyes.
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Yeah, I’m not normally one for this but I honestly wanted Zelenskyy to tell him to fuck off and say “I’m busy talking to the organ grinder, not his monkey” or words to that effect.

Someone needs to put the **** firmly in his place and I suppose 2 black eyes would be a good starting point for that.
 
red 2 hats said:
The real Trump shown his true colours, an arrogant bully, that should never have happened infront of the cameras unless it was a pre meditated attack.
Vance is a thundercunt, also the stooge journalist who started the attack by criticising Zelenski for not wearing a suit.
Putin is laughing his cock off, his puppet is doing all his spade work.
Makes me angrier that both Starmer and Macron were sucking the orange cunts cock earlier this week.
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Starmer and macron are professional politicians if you support them or their policies or not . Trump and Vance are a pair of baying bullying twats more suited to a cultist rally .
 
laserblue said:
Trump's performance shamed America. Vance's intervention was a staged set up designed to humiliate Zelenskyy and please Putin. Zelenskyy was trying to respond in his non-native language while Trump and Vance just shouted him down and Trump had the gall to tell Zelenskyy he'd already spoken too much.

I just wish someone would publicly ask Trump if he realises that Russia also illegally occupies 20% of Georgia as well the Transnistria region of Moldova and to explain how that doesn't prove Putin is an expansionist aggressor who can't be trusted. Trump's too stupid to understand that in a global geopolitical context a stronger Russia makes America weaker and that he's been played by Putin for years. He thinks he's great friends with Putin but in reality he's just his useful idiot.
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Issue is in Trump and Vance and those like them running the MAGA gravy train, they’re equally as expansionist as their Russian handler.

Greenland, Canada…
 
Apparently a lot of Brits are actually in support of Trump. Human psychology is just fascinating, this fraudster sold them the dream of Brexit and has returned to complete his mission to destroy Europe and some how a lot of Brits are still cheering him on, I have never seen a group eagerly volunteer to have the chains of slavery wrapped around their necks, all because of some weird "victim" kink that has them believing that they are loosing their freedom of speech. Today it's Zelensky tomorrow it's a next door neighbour.
 
What I don't understand is why American and Russia seem so friendly.

Still can't believe what happened, two bullies bullied the head of a country that's been invaded. Mocked his clothes as soon as he got out of the car, than again asking if he had a suit. Fucking unbelievable coming from the bullies, one with what looks like eyeliner on the other painted orange with ridiculous hair.

PS if I had a tesla car I would send it back ASAP
 
Thaksins Love Child said:
I can't get over Vance LAUGHING at the suit question.

A VP laughing along with the US Press at a demeaning question to the President of another country.

I'd like to think if that happened anywhere else, the person who asked the question would be marched out of there.
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Trump said it on arrival on the first handshake and then their lackey journo eased in to keep the humiliation going.

Add in their lies and It was an ambush designed to get the rise they wanted.
 
give it to gordon said:
What I don't understand is why American and Russia seem so friendly.

Still can't believe what happened, two bullies bullied the head of a country that's been invaded. Mocked his clothes as soon as he got out of the car, than again asking if he had a suit. Fucking unbelievable coming from the bullies, one with what looks like eyeliner on the other painted orange with ridiculous hair.
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Never underestimate the power of blackmail
 
The kind of forthright, heated exchange and brutally honest form of telling it how it is we saw yesterday happens all the time behind the scenes in politics and I expect many of the more established political leaders have a much more aggressive and impolite negotiating manner than what we saw displayed yesterday.

All that happened yesterday was that it was put out there for everyone to see rather than keeping such discussions hidden behind closed doors out of public view.

But of course all the normies who think politicians just spend all their time making glib soundbites and meaningless empty statements are horrified at what they saw.
 
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