President Trump

I can hardly believe I am posting this.
Trump plans to fire live rounds into Camp Pendleton, CA from US Naval ships to coincide with the no kings protest. Air traffic and route 1-5 will be severely curtailed. They are pretending this is a celebratory act but intimidation is the real motive. This story is well sourced. The madness gets worse.
 
KS55 said:
I can hardly believe I am posting this.
Trump plans to fire live rounds into Camp Pendleton, CA from US Naval ships to coincide with the no kings protest. Air traffic and route 1-5 will be severely curtailed. They are pretending this is a celebratory act but intimidation is the real motive. This story is well sourced. The madness gets worse.
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Source?
 
fulabeer said:
As this is supposed to be the Trump thread, i don't want to derail it.
However, i will say i was a victim of positive discrimination, and it was devastating. If you want/need any further information, feel free to message me. Don't reply to this thread.

I was 16 and on a YTS scheme for British Rail (1986). I applied for the job of Junior Railman at Oxford Rd.
I took the time to visit the station, spoke with the managers, and did some platform work in my own time.
I cleaned the toilets, and assisted passengers.

I had a great interview, as i answered the questions with ease. (i'd done my ground work)

I was offered the job the next day. This was my first proper job and i was ecstatic. I quickly informed my family and friends. I was given a start time of about a week. On the Friday (before starting that Monday), i was asked into the station manager's office at Piccadilly. I was informed that i hadn't now got the job.
It was explained to me that manpower services had reviewed recruitment from the YTS trainees, and they hadn't met the requirements for equal opportunities. There was 25 of us. Two on the course were black and Asian. To that date, 11 had been offered jobs, but not them two.
So although i could see the manager was embarrassed. I was told the Asian lad had already been offered it. (before even speaking to me).

My world fell apart. You cannot imagine the devastation. I really needed the money. My single parent dad was on the breadline, and we were struggling just to keep the gas and electric on.
I had to go and tell friends and family the news.
I was told at the meeting how unfair it may seem, but to keep applying for jobs as they wanted me.

Well it was a while before another job came up. I applied and got it.
The lad who got Oxford road quit within six weeks. He refused to clean the toilets even though it was in the job description. Was constantly late, and was rude to passengers. He then quit to go work for some uncle.

You would have thought i would be bitter. But i wasn't. I actually understand that racism is very real.
I understood the good intentions to help minorities. It actually made me more aware of discrimination in the workplace.
However, i never really found the Railway racist. There were some racist comments now and again from some of the older workers. But i would say sexism existed then. It was a male dominated environment. It has taken great strides to eradicate that though. Just changing job descriptions from "Signalman" to "Signaller" for example. We all thought it petty and PC at the time. More because we thought "Signalwomen" would do it etc. But over time, we actually saw it for the barrier that it actually was.

It should always be the best person gets the job. Not because a target hasn't been met.
Advertising a job that states a preference for a certain type, is almost a legal way of saying don't bother applying.
Lowering standards is also a no no. You are either good enough or not.

So instead of just looking at numbers, more time and effort should be spent finding out why the numbers are not being met, and making sure there are no barriers stopping people from getting jobs.
Although i would agree, this is harder said than done!
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Reads like a Dave Gedge song.
 
Clearly the meting is a complete waste of time and merely an opportunity to pose and feel good about himself whilst Putin yet again shafts him.
 
moomba said:
Im not a big fan of positive discrimination/affirmative action although I think there are some situations where it's merited.

But you dont get to fly a plane of you're not qualified, to suggest otherwise is undoubtedly racist.

And all these MAGA freaks that go on about DEI hire whenever a woman or ethnic minority has a job are basically saying that person couldn't possibly be there on merit or because they were the best candidate for the job.

Which is also undoubtedly racist.
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what always freaked me out was the annual on-line ( we worked from home even in the 90's) training module we had to complete. It was about diversity and we were "taught" and had to pass a test about recognising a lack of diversity. We were taught about BAME employee's, female employee's, gay employee's and so on. We all passed and proved we could spot a lack of diversity and understood when it made us or a colleague feel uncomfortable, how to report it up the line and what action to expect. Then all give or take 36 of us white males aged between 30 and 60, all married with kids went back to work and were encouraged to never ask why the department was made that way ..........
 
SWP's back said:
As I say, bloke was a ****.

Charlie Kirk's Documented Calls for Political Violence (2012-2024)



Direct Calls for Death and Public Executions:



* Called for President Biden to receive "the death penalty for his crimes against America" (July 2023)\^1

* "Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" - suggested children should watch (2024)\^2

* Called for "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor" invoking Nazi war crimes imagery (April 2024)\^3



Calling for Lethal Force Against Migrants and Minorities:



* Advocated lethal force against migrants: "If you enter, we have lethal force, and we're willing to use it" and "You can start with firing next to them" (March 2024)\^4

* Advocated using whips against migrants, asking "Why is that controversial?"\^5

* Warned of "enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes" requiring armed response\^6

* Directed supporters: "Buy weapons. Buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you"\^7



Violent Anti-LGBTQ+ Statements:



* Said he "would've loved" if fathers "formed a line" to physically confront transgender athletes: "you're going to have to come through us"\^8

* Called transgender people "an abomination" and "a throbbing middle finger to God"\^9

* Advocated handling LGBTQ+ people "the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s" (era of criminalization and forced institutionalization)\^10



Extreme Anti-Black and Antisemitic Rhetoric:



* Called George Floyd a "scumbag"\^11

* Said Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake"\^12

* "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'"\^13

* Called Martin Luther King Jr. "awful" and "not a good person"\^14

* Claimed Jewish people control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it"\^15

* "The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country"\^16



Great Replacement Theory and White Supremacist Messaging:



* Promoted "Great Replacement" theory: "not a theory, it's a reality" - Democrats seek to "diminish and decrease white demographics in America"\^17

* SPLC documents Kirk warning that "native born Americans are being replaced by foreigners" and promising Trump will "liberate" the country from "the enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes"\^18



Celebrating and Normalizing Violence:



* Said gun deaths are "worth it" to preserve Second Amendment rights\^19

* Promoted Christian nationalist "Seven Mountain Mandate" ideology calling for theocratic takeover through "spiritual warfare"\^20



Targeting and Harassment Campaigns:



* Created "Professor Watchlists" that resulted in death threats, rape threats, and antisemitic harassment\^21

* Arizona State University President documented that Kirk's watchlist generated "antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ+ and misogynistic attacks on ASU faculty"\^22

* One professor resigned after "nearly a year of harassment by right-wing, white supremacist media outlets"\^23

* Maintained "School Board Watchlists" targeting local education officials\^24



January 6 Capitol Attack Organization:



* Organized "80+ buses full of patriots to D.C. to fight for this president"\^25

* Admitted receiving "500 emails a minute calling for a civil war" before January 6\^26

* Pleaded the Fifth over 70 times when questioned by House January 6 Committee\^27



Civil Rights Organizations' Classification as Extremist:



* Southern Poverty Law Center added Turning Point USA to official "Hate Map" as "antigovernment extremist group" (2024)\^28

* Anti-Defamation League documents Kirk's systematic antisemitic rhetoric\^29

* Academic research from Cambridge Core and Brookings Institution documents Kirk's rhetoric following established patterns of stochastic terrorism\^30



Documented Legal Consequences and Criminal Investigations:



* Federal Election Commission fined Kirk's organization $18,000 for campaign finance violations\^31

* Multiple universities paid settlements totaling tens of thousands of dollars after Kirk's "Professor Watchlist" resulted in documented death threats\^32

* Criminal charges filed in multiple states against TPUSA personnel for violent confrontations, including felony assault charges in Arizona\^33

* Yolo County District Attorney investigating coordinated attacks at UC Davis that could result in felony charges carrying up to three years in prison\^34



International Recognition as Extremist:



* Socialist Worker UK described his content as a "cesspit of far right lies, vile racism, transphobia"\^35

* CBC Canada documented his "combative style" as making him a "potent political force" in promoting extremist ideologies\^36

* Al Jazeera noted Kirk's "provocative style" as deliberately inflammatory political messaging\^37



General Violence Normalization:



* Regularly promoted false claims about 2020 election integrity leading to January 6\^38

* Systematic rhetoric describing Democratic governance as illegitimate\^39

* Network Contagion Research Institute documents Kirk's systematic provision of mainstream legitimacy to white nationalist figures\^40



Sources:



\^1 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...son-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against)



\^2 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)



\^3 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...e-trial-every-gender-affirming-clinic-doctor)



\^4 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)



\^5 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)



\^6 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)



\^7 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)



\^8 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)



\^9 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)



\^10 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)



\^11 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)



\^12 [https://www.breezyscroll.com/world/...rld/the-us/charlie-kirk-controversial-takes/)



\^13 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)



\^14 [https://populartimelines.com/timeli...timeline/Charlie-Kirk/controversies-scandals)



\^15 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)



\^16 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)



\^17 [https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mented-immigrants-are-not-proof-of-a-scheme/)



\^18 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)



\^19 [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c...om/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/)



\^20 [https://politicalresearch.org/strat...sa-increasingly-leaning-right-wing-christian)



\^21 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)



\^22 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)



\^23 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)



\^24 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)



\^25 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-insurrection-buses-washington-tweet-1560727)



\^26 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)



\^27 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-fifth-asked-his-age-jan-6-committee-1768952)



\^28 [https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...lc-laughingstock-listing-turning-point-hate/)



\^29 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)



\^30 [https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-on-twitter/8BCBD1F909A861589D93F7124AFE1A7E)



\^31 [https://www.citizensforethics.org/n...point-action-fined-following-crew-complaint/)



\^32 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)



\^33 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)



\^34 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)



\^35 [https://socialistworker.co.uk/comme...charlie-kkkirks-chickens-come-home-to-roost/)



\^36 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl.../world/charlie-kirk-death-reaction-1.7630652)



\^37 [https://time.com/7316280/charlie-ki...316280/charlie-kirk-dead-political-violence/)



\^38 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)



\^39 [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ul-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/)



\^40 [https://libcom.org/article/network-...ate-fight-political-infection-left-and-right)
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Yeah, but apart from that…
 
Having been in a profession where I think there’s probably been a bit of positive discrimination in recent years, I think overall it’s been a good thing.

It’s not about giving people who are not suited or up to the job an opportunity they don’t deserve; it’s about giving those who are up to the job, who have been disadvantaged by society, a chance in life.

If you don’t try and work at the edges, then fuck all changes.

Like anything it’s about to what extent it’s applied. If it’s everything then it’s a terrible idea, but if it’s part of a number of criteria, then it’s commendable.

Just because you didn’t get a job because positive discrimination was in operation, it doesn’t mean you were a better candidate. Maybe you were completely unsuited to the job. Or came across as a **** in the interview.

Whatever your skin colour.
 
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