President Trump

grandsolo said:
Trump isn't a racist? Fuck off. I grew up in NYC in the 80s, before the rest of the country knew this dickhead. He's a rapist racist piece of shit. End of story. If you're voting for him, you're voting for a dictator in training.
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Cool. Can you give an example of this racismyou witnesssed in the 80s? Or is this one of those "believe me fam" type situation?
 
Dax777 said:
Coz I don't believe the story. It's part of the attempts to derail him politically. Her story was less credible than the Biden accuser story.

I just don't buy it.
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So you are changing your view of juries?
 
Dax777 said:
Coz I don't believe the story. It's part of the attempts to derail him politically. Her story was less credible than the Biden accuser story.

I just don't buy it.
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Despite the fact he confessed to doing similar things when bragging to Billy Bush?

You're showing your partisan colours again, Biden's accuser had a history of lying. Trump's victim was found to be credible and believed and won a huge payout. If it was a witch hunt wouldn't he have been found to have committed rape not sexual assault?

Trump has a long history of fraud and lies. The fact that you believe him innocent, tells everyone about the kind of person you are.
 
Dax777 said:
I think the conviction is political. And anti-democracy. I came from a country that did shot like this. So I'm very familiar.

He didn't attempt to cause a civil war. That's hyperbole..

I think the belief he is a loon job is a matter of opinion. Liberals tend to believe this. But I don't think he is. This I agree is a low bar.

He is not my guy, his is one of the least likeable President I've ever voted for. But I prefer him, his administration over what the other side offers.


I mean the Democrats are doing everything in their power to save Democracy. Including potentially killing democracy.
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He didn't attempt to cause a civil war. That's hyperbole..

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Dax777 said:
I don't understand the question?
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You said you don’t accept the verdict of a jury, but you believe we all have to accept the result of an election. Not compatible. There are principles which no amount of sophistry can get round and accepting the verdict of a jury (subject to any appeal) and an election is one of them. When a case is over, that is the law. America is still a common law country.
That is the inherent weakness of the SC decision. If you had followed it through as I suggested, you would have been forced to conclude that every case where immunity was claimed would finish up with a circuit panel and none of them would uphold immunity, so it goes to the SC. Do they decline to hear it? Unlikely, it is their law which nobody else believes in. You end with SC and the courts, following precedent, at loggerheads. That is the natural result of not accepting verdicts. Add the Chief justice’s obiter dicta that all special prosecutors are unconstitutional, again setting aside precedent, and chaos results. Watch what happens when the circuit consider the dismissal of the documents case.
Good luck!
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Despite the fact he confessed to doing similar things when bragging to Billy Bush.
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Mr Kobayashi said:
You're showing your partisan colours again, Biden's accuser had a history of lying. Trump's victim w.as found to be credible and believed and won a huge payout. If it was a witch hunt wouldn't he have been found to have committed rape not sexual assault
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Mr Kobayashi said:
Trump has a long history of fraud and lies. The fact that you believe him innocent, tells everyone about the kind of person you are.
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Does this kinda argument really work? Oooh " we really know the kind of person you are because you believe she is innocent,."

Stop being childish. Grow up. I don't know what Trump did or didn't do. I know there seems to be a concerted effort to stop him from running for office though.

First they try to shame him, shame his supporters, call him names, try to jail him and even try to kill him. Those are the facts. Again, believe what you want. We have different perspectives. I recognize what I'm seeing.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2020. I agreed with him and his administration far more than I do Biden's. And yet, I voted my conscience.

But it's different now, I am absolutely voting Trump, no questions. I've seen this before. My only regret is I'm voting in a non-swing State. So be happy. It won't matter anyway. But definitely going to vote Trump. Me with all the other deplorables :)
 
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Dax777 said:
Does this kinda argument really work? Oooh " we really know the kind of person you are because you believe she is innocent,."

Stop being childish. Grow up. I don't know what Trump did or didn't do. I know there seems to be a concerted effort to stop him from running for office though.

First they try to shame him, shame his supporters, call him names, try to jail him and even try to kill him. Those are the facts. Again, believe what you want. We have different perspectives. I recognize what I'm seeing.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2020. I agreed with him and his administration than I do Biden's. And yet, I voted my conscience.

But it's different now, I am absolutely voting Trump, no questions. I've seen this before. My only regret is I'm voting in a non-swing State. So be happy. It won't matter anyway. But definitely going to vote Trump. Me with all the other deplorables :)
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Do you believe that Trump was wrong not to condemn people that chanted about hanging his own vice president?
 
KS55 said:
You said you don’t accept the verdict of a jury, but you believe we all have to accept the result of an election.
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No I didn't say that. I said I don't believe the story. The verdict is the verdict. I have no say on that.

KS55 said:
Not compatible. There are principles which no amount of sophistry can get round and accepting the verdict of a jury (subject to any appeal) and an election is one of them. When a case is over, that is the law. America is still a common law country.
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I don't see how this relates to my claim. I never said I didn't accept the verdict..I said I don't believe the story.

KS55 said:
That is the inherent weakness of the SC decision. If you had followed it through as I suggested, you would have been forced to conclude that every case where immunity was claimed would finish up with a circuit panel and none of them would uphold immunity, so it goes to the SC. Do they decline to hear it? Unlikely, it is their law which nobody else believes in. You end with SC and the courts, following precedent, at loggerheads. That is the natural result of not accepting verdicts.
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You are mashing up multiple things that have nothing to do with each other.

There is no "inherent weakness" with the SC decision... But let's pause for a minute to note who isn't accepting a verdict now... The irony :)
Now back to decision, it's not a weakness that the Court answered the question in front of them and left others not in front of them unanswered. This is a long standing standard that has been the norm forever. The CJ even acknowledged this and gave an obvious reason

"Because we need not decide that question today, we do not decide it. ‘[O]ne case’ in more than ‘two centuries does not afford enough experience’ to definitively and comprehensively determine the President’s scope of immunity from criminal prosecution.”

Meaning it's in the interest of good jurisprudence to actually allow the arguments around the outer limits of immunity to develop in the lower courts.

KS55 said:
Add the Chief justice’s obiter dicta that all special prosecutors are unconstitutional, again setting aside precedent, and chaos results. Watch what happens when the circuit consider the dismissal of the documents case.
Good luck!
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Ok.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Do you think Trump is sane and rational?
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That wasn't and isn't the question. However, my answer to
your question is an emphatic no. I asked the original question because the truth is, that on this forum if opposing
viewpoints are put forward, which disagree with the overriding liberal/leftie narrative then those posters are
shouted down and hounded out. Any alternative opinions, or reasoned, balanced, objective discussion and debate are simply not tolerated. The thread then becomes what it is. It is an echo chamber of around a dozen or so voices agreeing with each other and rounds of self-congratulatory posts from self-styled intellectual colossuses, who are boring and repetitive in reality. The good news is that the football season is almost upon us so we can all get back to the matchday threads very shortly. :-)
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Do you believe that Trump was wrong not to condemn people that chanted about hanging his own vice president?
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There was a time when I entertained these types of questions. I don't anymore. Think whatever you want. Your choice.
 
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