President Trump

Thaksins Love Child said:
Excuse my stupidness here but when people are saying it was staged, there's a person who will do some serious time for this. Where does he come into it? Is the suggestion he is in on it too?
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We would never no but are you saying people don’t commit crimes for Money to secure there families future.

Would add my Comment I’s only a Assumption.
 
Thaksins Love Child said:
Excuse my stupidness here but when people are saying it was staged, there's a person who will do some serious time for this. Where does he come into it? Is the suggestion he is in on it too?
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You don't think someone with nothing to lose wouldn't jump at the opportunity to secure the financial security of their family?

I've no doubt there are people up and down the country happily serving serious jail time for crimes they didn't commit for financial gain.
 
Derren Brown did a program where he had a person assassinate Stephen Fry ( but not for real though)and doesn't know or remember anything about it.
If Brown can do it then others are more than capable.
 
Fake or staged, Trump maximizes every opportunity to his advantage.
What he does do is incite people to do his bidding. That makes him extremely dangerous to his US political opponents.
What irks him the most is that influence only exists in the states. He doesn't understand why his threats don't mobilise people in other countries. In fact he gets the opposite reactions. Tariffs are his only weapon and even those have been stifled, and "threat" fatigue has meant most countries now just say "do your worst".

The Iran mess has probably saved the world from much worse. At least for the time being.
It will have put doubt in his mind for any situations that he might need to get out of....again. His political credits with his own fan base have been spent.
As soon as he can move on from Iran, he will have to turn his attention to the midterms. I personally don't think anything he does can save him. He will be a lame duck, and those who once supported him will try to save their own skins.
He is slippery, so nothing he does next will surprise me when it comes to the elections. It's just how far people will let him go. Whatever it will be, people will probably die.

Jelly and ice cream really won't cut it when judgement day finally comes for him.
 
fulabeer said:
Fake or staged, Trump maximizes every opportunity to his advantage.
What he does do is incite people to do his bidding. That makes him extremely dangerous to his US political opponents.
What irks him the most is that influence only exists in the states. He doesn't understand why his threats don't mobilise people in other countries. In fact he gets the opposite reactions. Tariffs are his only weapon and even those have been stifled, and "threat" fatigue has meant most countries now just say "do your worst".

The Iran mess has probably saved the world from much worse. At least for the time being.
It will have put doubt in his mind for any situations that he might need to get out of....again. His political credits with his own fan base have been spent.
As soon as he can move on from Iran, he will have to turn his attention to the midterms. I personally don't think anything he does can save him. He will be a lame duck, and those who once supported him will try to save their own skins.
He is slippery, so nothing he does next will surprise me when it comes to the elections. It's just how far people will let him go. Whatever it will be, people will probably die.

Jelly and ice cream really won't cut it when judgement day finally comes for him.
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Thing is he will have two years to reek havoc, there will be nothing or no one holding him back, doesn’t matter whether democrats hold both houses or the courts reign him back later, by then it’s too late, like he said he could literally walk down the street and shoot someone, he is above the law.
 
I’m not really into the whole shooting conspiracy thing and have never really given it much thought or credibility but you can’t deny there are a lot of weird inconsistencies surrounding this recent one and the other one where he got nicked by a piece of glass on the ear.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Thing is he will have two years to reek havoc, there will be nothing or no one holding him back, doesn’t matter whether democrats hold both houses or the courts reign him back later, by then it’s too late, like he said he could literally walk down the street and shoot someone, he is above the law.
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I might have left it at

"he will have two years to reek"
 
fulabeer said:
Fake or staged, Trump maximizes every opportunity to his advantage.
What he does do is incite people to do his bidding. That makes him extremely dangerous to his US political opponents.
What irks him the most is that influence only exists in the states. He doesn't understand why his threats don't mobilise people in other countries. In fact he gets the opposite reactions. Tariffs are his only weapon and even those have been stifled, and "threat" fatigue has meant most countries now just say "do your worst".

The Iran mess has probably saved the world from much worse. At least for the time being.
It will have put doubt in his mind for any situations that he might need to get out of....again. His political credits with his own fan base have been spent.
As soon as he can move on from Iran, he will have to turn his attention to the midterms. I personally don't think anything he does can save him. He will be a lame duck, and those who once supported him will try to save their own skins.
He is slippery, so nothing he does next will surprise me when it comes to the elections. It's just how far people will let him go. Whatever it will be, people will probably die.

Jelly and ice cream really won't cut it when judgement day finally comes for him.
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If your meaning Judgement day By Divine judgement. Or he righty get what’s coming to him.
The latter can’t come quickly enough.
The first is sadly what some Evangelical Christians want .

They voted him in think he would help usher in the Day of the Lord .
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s a three stage process to follow for me.

Firstly, evidentially, is this a man who is capable of lying again and again, who embraces presenting things in a way that is false without any compunction whatsoever? Someone who has no regard for the truth?

Secondly, evidentially, is this man who will do anything to obtain and retain power?

Thirdly, evidentially, does he have the people around him who have the capacity and motive to deliver this for him?

If the answer is ‘no’ to any of (and by extension, all) those questions is ‘no’, or even equivocal, then your opinion on the subject isn’t worth a wank.

If the answer to all three questions is ‘yes’, then the only sane, rational approach is to have a starting point that anything and everything that occurs around him like this is false and work back from there.

Does that mean that every event that occurs around him such as this is false, or wholly distorted? Of course not. That would be an absurd position to assume, but I’m struggling to see how anyone adopting a logical, experienced based position could assume anything else other than a starting point of what has been presented as being false, and requiring a level of proof that assumption is wrong.
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All three things are true.

But the idea that the Hilton hotel attack was staged strikes me as ludicrous. As another poster said the attacker will spend most of the rest of his life in prison and I don't see anyone going along with FBI/CIA plotters to incur that. Besides, if you look at the guy's written agenda he wanted to go after "the leadership" yet was anxious to spare Kash Patel because he "respected law enforcement", which to me marks him as the kind of eccentric (less kindly nutter) most likely to be a lone wolf.

That said, repressive regimes do of course have a long history of setting up agents provocateurs to commit acts of violence which they can then use to justify repression. Just been reading again about "The Blanketeers" protest march of 1817 when Manchester workers set out to march to London to demand parliamentary reform and the right to vote. Lord Liverpool's government had its spies among them though they got sussed out by their accents. Trump's team will have far more sophisticated devices to hand and they'll use them all before November. And it will have made Trump's day that the DC attacker donated money to Kamala Harris's election fund.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
He would most likely be, yes.

That is more likely than this being as presented imo.
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Nothing can be ruled out where Trump is concerned and you have outlined well the how the starting point for anything that involves him is false/a lie.

That being said, when it comes to incidents like this, I feel he has helped to promote such a hostile, bat shit crazy country to such an extent that carrying out a false flag is unnecessary.

It’s a nation with a material number of mentally ill, highly-politicised people living in a time of unparalleled social division powered by media/social media… and those people have access to guns.

I’d argue Trump is involved, but in so much as he’s propagated the environment whereby it becomes an inevitability these incidents will happen with what would at first appear improbable regularity.

He then makes political gain from it.
 
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