On average, we are all worse off, except the monied few. Price-gouging is insidious...it creeps up, and up, and up. So do profits. That equation is almost never addressed by the appalling media in this country, nor is it ever tackled by any government.
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Priced out? | Club announce that matchday tickets being reduced by up to 43% (p93)
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I think city will have looked at villa charging £96 for their champions league games this season and selling out and wonder if they can do similar next year (if we are in it).
Don't think the tourists will be too interested in Thursday night football though
Don't think the tourists will be too interested in Thursday night football though
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£61 for Brighton at home is a disgrace. They've got to massively re- evaluate when the north stand is completed.
Agreed home games are a chore, they are like going to work , I don’t wanna go but feel obligated.Keep them mate if you can afford to. Have a year off. Pass onto friends and family.
I have missed the last 5 games due to some health issues, big games aswell. Not been as fussed as I thought I would be. Had to move my ticket to a relative for tomorrows game.
You are right though. The home matchday experience is utter wank.
I wish the club would offer away game sesson tickets. I would pay double mate.
I live for the away days and I am lucky enough to qualify for all of them due to massive outlays and inconvenience over the years travelling to daft places on a Tuesday night etc etc
However you need to do both to ensure I get the aways
Happily bin 90% of home games
Parking restrictions silly ko times traffic etc
Prob missed no more than a dozen home games since we moved stadiums all but 1 I was abroad for, think the 2007 season there was one I generally couldn’t by arsed ! Cheers Stuart !
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them in any way whatsoever. All i'm saying is those others ie Arsenal etc are making more profit without the money from winning trophies. I'm sure i read we got about £30m for winning the league (I maybe wrong).
Me personally, I'd be looking at taking some of our highest wage earners off the books (ie Grealish, Kev, Gundo etc) and bring the outgoings down. From a business perspective, I think they may try to bring in enough Turnover to sustain a decent profit even without the money from winning trophies. They just need someone smart to work out how to do that without alienating the loyal support hence the need for tourists and loyal fans. Hard task for them to work out. Starts with engagement - we are at a point where things could go seriously wrong and they need us.
Not paying player agents would save £10mill's every financial year.
City paid out £60mill in player agent fees in the last financial year.
How many season ticket and match day ticket prices rises does that equate to?
£61 for Brighton at home is a disgrace. They've got to massively re- evaluate when the north stand is completed.
They won't.
It's sole purpose is to drive match day revenue.
That was evident as soon as the planning application dropped.
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Not paying player agents would save £10mill's every financial year.
City paid out £60mill in player agent fees in the last financial year.
How many season ticket and match day ticket prices rises does that equate to?
Our club like all the rest are looking after the industry.
That'll be the industry of the loyalty of fans and the fleecing of them, not many industries have such a willing captive audience.
crystal_mais
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wholly agree - but every player has an agent to do all their donkey work, boils down to players. Agents sniff round players from a very young age. Unfortunately the job of an Agent is huge. Unless regulators can restrict or cap agent spend not sure anything will be done. It's just part and parcel of the industry now.Not paying player agents would save £10mill's every financial year.
City paid out £60mill in player agent fees in the last financial year.
How many season ticket and match day ticket prices rises does that equate to?
Good post. We do need to be realistic about some things. Firstly, City fans should co-exist. Is everyone who gets called a tourist really a tourist? Because sometimes people mean the east Asian young'uns, and a lot of them are students who get on the tram at St Peter's Square, presumably based in the halls in and around Oxford Road, for all we know they could have chosen to come to Manchester to watch City, without them there would be empty seats in the most successful period in our history...some of them are actually STs holders..or at least ST sharers.In my opinion the business of football is eating itself up. Be interesting to see what the operating costs are as we don't make a massive amount of profit based on turnover. They need to look top to bottom - To be successful they need to keep the players. The players only stay if we pay them more than what they are being offered elsewhere...
To be logical we need to define affordable. What can local people afford to pay to be able to have a season ticket then number crunch and see what the impact is on the balance sheet ref turnover and profit. If we end up in negative equity or hardly any profit then we know they won't change it. A friend who was quite high up in the Finance department told me there is a wage ceiling and we were around 70% of all costs, this was a few years ago mind you hence we were buying lower wage players. The likes of Kev etc were on big £££'s.
We are being priced out of everything. I stopped the FA Cup and Carabou cup schemes since Covid season. I will be stopping Champs League cup scheme from next season. That leaves me with my season ticket and at some point I will most likely give that up. I've missed over half the home games and most of the Champs League games due to work and my sons sports commitments. My mates have been happy as they've been able to go to the games.
They obviously have a finance model that they are working to. Its a damn shame but unless football as a whole starts to cut costs, it will continually lead to price increases. It's happening in all walks of life. A trip to the cinema with my wife and 2 kids costs me over £100. I've now had my letters from BT, EE & Sky about Price increases - In general (in the UK from my experience) we are being priced out of alot of things in life.
I get why people get annoyed by tourists, half and half etc. Me personally I don't give 2 hoots. I'm there to watch the game with my mates and son and have a few beers then bugger off home. We will have to find a way to co-exist as its the only way money will come in.
Anyway that my tuppence worth
Secondly, genuine tourists - at games like RM - won't be going anywhere as long as we are successful. Were the same people watching Tyson Fury in Riyadh the same people travelling to east London to watch him on the undercard at York Hall 15 years back? Were they fuck. Were all the Blues and other Brits that Ricky brought over to Vegas full-time boxing fans who would show up at George Carnall Hall on a wet Wednesday...were they fuck. Big sporting events attract high rollers and rubberneckers who are interested in being ringside at the BIGGEST events. If City v RM wasn't up there with the biggest events in the most successful period in our history, then we'd have a problem.
However, the club is dropping a bollock in failing to nurture a sizeable, regular matchgoing season ticket-holding following among permanent Manchester residents in their twenties, teens and school years and this leaves us in danger of becoming a fur coat and no knickers club as older fans who are the current backbone of the support get disillusioned. A lot of this is on the suits for not strategising properly for the future and putting today's cash grab first without recognising the demographic timebomb years of underachievement left us...but part of the responsibility for this also lies with Mancs themselves - I'm sorry, reasonably priced less fashionable FA Cup and CL games are not selling like hotcakes if all of us can have four tickets each..some of these tickets aren't that much more than seeing Stockport or Altrincham, that's not a priced out of the PL issue, it's a people can't be arsed because they think it's the same watching it in the pub issue.
And then what happens when non-regulars actually bother to attend? Argyle was a classic example. The number of ST holders/regulars in my section who turned out was tiny, the non-regulars who took their seats were overwhelmingly local, but behaved EXACTLY like the least clued-up overseas tourists - up and down like a Jack in the Box every minute, "forgetting" where they were sat every time they came back from somewhere, barely arsed what was going on at the pitch, and consequently, even though it was a 'local' crowd, the atmosphere from our end was woeful. Inflation doesn't help, the chase to increase revenues in the short term doesn't help, but is every local Blue doing their bit for attendance and atmos when they can...I'd have to say no.
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You may have been infiltrated by us SS3/SS2 evictees.Good post. We do need to be realistic about some things. Firstly, City fans should co-exist. Is everyone who gets called a tourist really a tourist? Because sometimes people mean the east Asian young'uns, and a lot of them are students who get on the tram at St Peter's Square, presumably based in the halls in and around Oxford Road, for all we know they could have chosen to come to Manchester to watch City, without them there would be empty seats in the most successful period in our history...some of them are actually STs holders..or at least ST sharers.
Secondly, genuine tourists - at games like RM - won't be going anywhere as long as we are successful. Were the same people watching Tyson Fury in Riyadh the same people travelling to east London to watch him on the undercard at York Hall 15 years back? Were they fuck. Were all the Blues and other Brits that Ricky brought over to Vegas full-time boxing fans who would show up at George Carnall Hall on a wet Wednesday...were they fuck. Big sporting events attract high rollers and rubberneckers who are interested in being ringside at the BIGGEST events. If City v RM wasn't up there with the biggest events in the most successful period in our history, then we'd have a problem.
However, the club is dropping a bollock in failing to nurture a sizeable, regular matchgoing season ticket-holding following among permanent Manchester residents in their twenties, teens and school years and this leaves us in danger of becoming a fur coat and no knickers club as older fans who are the current backbone of the support get disillusioned. A lot of this is on the suits for not strategising properly for the future and putting today's cash grab first without recognising the demographic timebomb years of underachievement left us...but part of the responsibility for this also lies with Mancs themselves - I'm sorry, reasonably priced less fashionable FA Cup and CL games are not selling like hotcakes if all of us can have four tickets each..some of these tickets aren't that much more than seeing Stockport or Altrincham, that's not a priced out of the PL issue, it's a people can't be arsed because they think it's the same watching it in the pub issue.
And then what happens when non-regulars actually bother to attend? Argyle was a classic example. The number of ST holders/regulars in my section who turned out was tiny, the non-regulars who took their seats were overwhelmingly local, but behaved EXACTLY like the least clued-up overseas tourists - up and down like a Jack in the Box every minute, "forgetting" where they were sat every time they came back from somewhere, barely arsed what was going on at the pitch, and consequently, even though it was a 'local' crowd, the atmosphere from our end was woeful. Inflation doesn't help, the chase to increase revenues in the short term doesn't help, but is every local Blue doing their bit for attendance and atmos when they can...I'd have to say no.
A FA Cup game crowd is one on its own.
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Ah wondered why the offer appeared in my inbox. Ive had 2. thanks leicester.25 quid tickets for the Leicester home game in 313 and 314. They've returned their allocation
The core issue you are getting at is Central Manchester. If you go back to the 90s Town was the local - the beers didn't cost that much more than drinking in Prestwich - Chorlton etc. Now the difference is £1.50 to £2 per pint.I'm really curious about how people feel about prices locally, and not trying to make a statement or score points, just genuinely interested in local observations.
I've been coming to Manchester from Ireland to City games for more than 30 years.
When the boom hit Ireland from the mid nineties onwards it started to get very expensive, particularly Dublin. And it was always noticeably cheaper coming over to Manchester, particularly for alcohol and food, even clothes. We would always comment on the difference.
It feels like it's gone they other way very recently. I know that the exchange rate matters, €1.20 at the moment, so that skews things. Also where you eat and drink matters. You can always try to avoid expensive places or find cheaper deals. But I mean the general vibe, when you look at menus everywhere.
I find regularly myself thinking "Jesus that's expensive" when looking at menus here, not withstanding the exchange rate, and we're used to Dublin prices
We paid £7.50 for pints of Guinness in central Manchester, that's more than €9. We wouldn't pay that outside of the Temple Bar tourist trap....yet. It seems to be about £7 a pint of lager in a restaurant. Also a glass of wine used to feel much cheaper than home, not any more.
I always think of those on low wages, what's it like surviving here?
Dublin's minimum wage and average income seems to be relatively comparable to Greater Manchester, at €1.20 exchange rate anyway, and that surprised me.
Anyway, my net question, has the cost of living in Manchester absolutely exploded over the last 5 years? Is it quickly out of proportion to mainstream income levels, and do people feel it?
Or is £70 for adults and £45 for kids to go to a football match the new normal? And £20 for a burger and chips in a converted Warehouse simply the price the market will happily bear?
Is there a tipping point coming fast?
I know some people who earn a lot of money but won't drink in Town pre-match. They drink in a local near where they live then get a bus or taxi to the match..
It is the city centre that has exploded in cost - driven by stag and hen does. And you can see the effect on a Monday or Tuesday when no football is on - it is pretty dead.
I sense from your post you are talking of city centre leisure costs.
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Town has become expensive but there are still some good value places to be had if you avoid some of the trendier bars.The core issue you are getting at is Central Manchester. If you go back to the 90s Town was the local - the beers didn't cost that much more than drinking in Prestwich - Chorlton etc. Now the difference is £1.50 to £2 per pint.
I know some people who earn a lot of money but won't drink in Town pre-match. They drink in a local near where they live then get a bus or taxi to the match..
It is the city centre that has exploded in cost - driven by stag and hen does. And you can see the effect on a Monday or Tuesday when no football is on - it is pretty dead.
I sense from your post you are talking of city centre leisure costs.
My match day drinking normally centres around Sinclairs, Seven Stars and the Hare n Hounds. Probably no more than £3.30 a pint in all.
Some good cheap food to be had around there as well, like This&That in Shudehill where you can get a decent curry for £6.50.
Go up a Cheetham Hill Road just past the AO Arena. There’s some good and cheap curry shops up there.
Have you tried spicey grill (used to be called Medina spice) it’s in ardwick opposite the petrol station - great place
That’s the equivalent of about 75,000 season tickets.Not paying player agents would save £10mill's every financial year.
City paid out £60mill in player agent fees in the last financial year.
How many season ticket and match day ticket prices rises does that equate to?
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Thought they usually have a good away following? Or have they thrown in the towel?25 quid tickets for the Leicester home game in 313 and 314. They've returned their allocation
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£51 for an adult and 2 kids in the returned section of SS3. Not bad.25 quid tickets for the Leicester home game in 313 and 314. They've returned their allocation
Midweek and not much to play for...but it'll be interesting to see how quickly that section sells compared to the rest.