Problem With Plumbing - Advice needed!

BerkshireBlue said:
looks fine to me. Check the vent is installed correctly though.
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What should I look out for? As you can probably tell from the rest of this thread, I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing when it comes to plumbing!

However, I am starting to doubt whether it IS the soil stack, as there is no smell in any other room. I managed to see inside the wall, and it looks as though it runs straight up, which would take it directly behind the wall at the head of our bed. Surely we'd smell anything through plasterboard?
 
The strange thing on the wastepipe,is a breather/air intake valve this could be faulty/stuck open,tho I have not seen one in a domestic property has the modern traps have their own little airing intake valve on them,odd that

Have you taken the boxing around the toilet off yet?
 
Garrinchas---Dog said:
The strange thing on the wastepipe,is a breather/air intake valve this could be faulty/stuck open,tho I have not seen one in a domestic property has the modern traps have their own little airing intake valve on them,odd that

Have you taken the boxing around the toilet off yet?
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Not yet, the wife would kill me if I started dismantling the bathroom at this time. Heavily pregnant women aren't the most agreeable at the best of times!

I took this picture of the fall from the S trap. Does this look about right, or a bit shallow? I tried to get it as straight as I could, but you can kind of use the line of the wall/ floor as a guide.

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should look like this, I don't know why you have a soil pipe air admittance valve inside can you not see the soil pipe outside?
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this is where the valve should be on this at the top, if not and it has to be in the house under your bath looking at your pic change your U bend and your
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blueincy said:
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should look like this, I don't know why you have a soil pipe air admittance valve inside can you not see the soil pipe outside?
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this is where the valve should be on this at the top, if not and it has to be in the house under your bath looking at your pic change your U bend and your
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Doesn't seem to be anything external, it's a terraced town house, and there's definitely nothing on the front or back. There's a bathroom on the top floor as well as this one (this is middle floor), and there's no problem up there. I would imagine there's an air admittance valve on the stack itself, or at least thought there should have been. I'll have to get into the attic and check to see if it's venting up there. So you think the problem may be that they haven't fitted a proper s-trap on there? Surely any competent plumber would have noticed that, rather than suggesting we knock down a few walls and fiddle with the stack itself?!
 
Pride_In_Battle said:
So I took the panel off the bath and took a couple of pictures of what's going on under there. Can anyone see anything out of the ordinary?

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The black plastic sheeting seems to have been put in to try and keep the smell out by whichever cowboy last looked at it! No idea what the random vent is on the second image though.
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The smell will only come from either the plug socket or the air admittance valve best time to smell it first thing in the morning that's how I found my bottle trap on my sink needed changing the smell of shit was unbearable..
 
blueincy said:
The smell will only come from either the plug socket or the air admittance valve best time to smell it first thing in the morning that's how I found my bottle trap on my sink needed changing the smell of shit was unbearable..
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So smell it first thing, if it's coming from the AAV, get a new one/ get rid of it, if it's coming from the plug end change the s-trap. Both of those are preferable to what we've been advised!
 
Pride_In_Battle said:
Doesn't seem to be anything external, it's a terraced town house, and there's definitely nothing on the front or back. There's a bathroom on the top floor as well as this one (this is middle floor), and there's no problem up there. I would imagine there's an air admittance valve on the stack itself, or at least thought there should have been. I'll have to get into the attic and check to see if it's venting up there. So you think the problem may be that they haven't fitted a proper s-trap on there? Surely any competent plumber would have noticed that, rather than suggesting we knock down a few walls and fiddle with the stack itself?!
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If there's an air admittance on the stack I don't see the need for one on the bath, take it off cover the end with your hand put plug in bath fill it half way, pull the plug out if it runs away glugging when going down (short spurts) then you need it, If it goes down normally you don't need it, cap it off end of smell..

Hope this helps PIB save your money you'll need it with a child on the way:)
 
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Pride_In_Battle said:
So smell it first thing, if it's coming from the AAV, get a new one/ get rid of it, if it's coming from the plug end change the s-trap. Both of those are preferable to what we've been advised!
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Looking at your s trap it looks like it holds water to prevent smells coming up my moneys on the AAV..
 
blueincy said:
Looking at your s trap it looks like it holds water to prevent smells coming up my moneys on the AAV..
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The plumber who we had out said they fitted that last time they were here for the last owners (he remembered doing it himself), and that it was installed to try and get rid of the smell from the stack, as it wasn't connected to the valve. Not sure how that was supposed to work, but he's (apparently) the expert in these things!

Could there be a problem with the fall? The bath does drain quite slowly.
 
Pride_In_Battle said:
The plumber who we had out said they fitted that last time they were here for the last owners (he remembered doing it himself), and that it was installed to try and get rid of the smell from the stack, as it wasn't connected to the valve. Not sure how that was supposed to work, but he's (apparently) the expert in these things!

Could there be a problem with the fall? The bath does drain quite slowly.
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He did it last time? With that little nugget of information i'd say to him a polite goodbye, expert in these things he isn't.. If he didn't solve the problem first time round 4 grand and another crack at it wouldn't even be considered..

Rip it out and start again the pipe work under the bath i mean.. If it's beyond your skill set get a plumber in to make it look like this below.. And might i also suggest you/he use push fit not Solvent weld pipes in waste soooo much easier to assemble/disassemble..

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Your bath waste will go into a rubber bung which is in the soil pipe.
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God knows why you have a vent under the bath mate, anyway just stick a plastic bag over it and tape it up so its air tight, then see if the smell goes. You should get no smell from the waste pipe as previously mentioned that is the whole point of having a trap with water in. Do Not go with your original quote mate that's complete bollox. I could put you a new fucking suite in for less than that lol.

Incy, that black rubber bung is off a low level toilet mate and connects the flush pipe into the back of the pan for flushing.

Kirkstall, Sink waste pipes are a standard 1.5" I can't see Barratts using anything else. Could be down to little /no fall, or build up of waste in the pipe. Not a difficult/dear job to replace if a good plunge out doesn't work. Always take off and flush/clean the trap first though as these tend to block first.

edit* kitchen sink 1.5"
bathroom/cloakroom sink 1.25"
 
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rushts said:
God knows why you have a vent under the bath mate, anyway just stick a plastic bag over it and tape it up so its air tight, then see if the smell goes. You should get no smell from the waste pipe as previously mentioned that is the whole point of having a trap with water in. Do Not go with your original quote mate that's complete bollox. I could put you a new fucking suite in for less than that lol.
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I'm no plumber, and we do things a little differently over here but, it does seem like the tub is vented indoors. Not sure how that works as I've never seen such a thing.
 
Barcon said:
I'm no plumber, and we do things a little differently over here but, it does seem like the tub is vented indoors. Not sure how that works as I've never seen such a thing.
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Seems strange to me. If the bath waste connects into the soil pipe via a clip boss which is very common then it looks to me like the smells are entering the bathroom though the vent. If this was taken out the bath trap would stop the smells.

Anyway fuck plumbing on a Friday night I'm having a JD. ;-)
 
rushts said:
God knows why you have a vent under the bath mate, anyway just stick a plastic bag over it and tape it up so its air tight, then see if the smell goes. You should get no smell from the waste pipe as previously mentioned that is the whole point of having a trap with water in. Do Not go with your original quote mate that's complete bollox. I could put you a new fucking suite in for less than that lol.

Incy, that black rubber bung is off a low level toilet mate and connects the flush pipe into the back of the pan for flushing.

Kirkstall, Sink waste pipes are a standard 1.5" I can't see Barratts using anything else. Could be down to little /no fall, or build up of waste in the pipe. Not a difficult/dear job to replace if a good plunge out doesn't work. Always take off and flush/clean the trap first though as these tend to block first.

edit* kitchen sink 1.5"
bathroom/cloakroom sink 1.25"
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rubber soil pipe connector mate..


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connects the flush pipe into the back of the pan for flushing.Similar
 
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