Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

[KS55]

Can anyone explain the difference between "acted in an unlawful manner" and "broken the law?" I've noticed everyone on the news is being very careful to not say the latter.

The first term means "in a manner not sanctioned by the law".
The second means " acted in a manner contrary to the law".

 

[BobKowalski]

Can anyone explain the difference between "acted in an unlawful manner" and "broken the law?" I've noticed everyone on the news is being very careful to not say the latter.

I assume because there was no law to ‘break’ at the time the decision to prorogue was made but the decision to prorogue has retroactively been deemed to be ‘unlawful’.

If that makes sense.

 

[SWP's back]

It was the crime and disorder act 1998 that got rid of it.

EU law bound it:

In 2004 the 13th Protocol to the European Convention on Human Rights became binding on the United Kingdom, prohibiting the restoration of the death penalty for as long as the UK is a party to the Convention.[1]

 

[Rascal]

Under EU law that was done away with.

Cheers pal.

 

[M18CTID]

That was high treason and that law was changed in 1998.

Cheers

 

[domalino]

Astonishing sentence in the court's judgment :

"It is impossible for us to conclude on the evidence... that there was any reason - let alone a good reason - to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament for five weeks."

Not just that the government didn't have a good reason for prorogation but it had no reason at all!

The important part of that sentence is the 5 weeks bit.

They had every reason to prorogue, it's the traditional time of year, the traditional circumstances etc. but it should have been a couple of days.

 

[pudge]

Can anyone explain the difference between "acted in an unlawful manner" and "broken the law?" I've noticed everyone on the news is being very careful to not say the latter.

From what I gather it's because there's no written constitution that has been broken, it was against the "spirit" of the law.

 

[M18CTID]

Nothing will change or happen.

I can't see how he can survive this. If he doesn't resign, it will surely affect the number who decide to vote Conservative in the next General Election.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Yep. Humungous own goal. Maybe he didn't think anyone would challenge it in court? On that note, when John Major did it did no-one challenge it? And if they had, is it likely the same verdict would've been reached?

Major did it for an election so while he dodged some bullets the other side (Blairs Labour) were on point and went on to win. They got what they wanted.

I also think Major was making a point about the state of the tories back then. They were a horrible bunch and I think he just thought fu@k it - i'm not defending this lot.

Would the same decision have been made - yes I think so. But it would have quashed the election as well and that is why there was no reason for Labour to go after it back then.

 

[1.618034]

Oh this is all just delicious.

Nom, nom, nom.

I'm a bit pissed off that Bercow wants parliament to reconvene straight away because I really want to see the Tory conference (next week?). Got some popcorn in.

They can/will still have it, I reckon.

MPs can leave Westminster for a day/half day.

It'll be carnage. Can't wait.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The buffoon must resign.

I can't see how he can survive this. If he doesn't resign, it will surely affect the number who decide to vote Conservative in the next General Election.

No No it won't ...... Nazis have to Nazi

 

[HelloCity]

The Nazi Germany style propaganda will follow.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Bercow will be getting his kit on as we speak, hope Johnson hasn't gone with Thomas Cook.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Can anyone explain the difference between "acted in an unlawful manner" and "broken the law?" I've noticed everyone on the news is being very careful to not say the latter.

I interpret it that "acting in an unlawful manner" suggests something has been done unintentionally (or not proven to be intentional) whereas "broken the law" would infer intention or something that would likely be proved as intentional.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Can anyone explain the difference between "acted in an unlawful manner" and "broken the law?" I've noticed everyone on the news is being very careful to not say the latter.

When it is civil law not criminal then it is the process that was unlawful. You tend to use broken the law in criminal cases. Ultimately the same thing though.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Oh this is all just delicious.

Nom, nom, nom.

They can/will still have it, I reckon.

MPs can leave Westminster for a day/half day.

It'll be carnage. Can't wait.

They'll probably all wave flags & cheer him.

 

[KS55]

Cats, pigeons.

 

[SWP's back]

It begins.

The Nazi Germany style propaganda.

That’s from last year, so it doesn’t “begin”.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Oh this is all just delicious.

Nom, nom, nom.

They can/will still have it, I reckon.

MPs can leave Westminster for a day/half day.

It'll be carnage. Can't wait.

He will have to ask to prorogue again!!!! Or cancel. Can you imagine going straight back to her Madj.... Soz love can we do this again.

The mood in the conference will be bleak - Old tory duffers love the queen.

 

[lancs blue]

I thought treason was still punishable by death in this country?

Only political death, hopefully. ;-)