Queues

Not a big fan of the new system being introduced without any alternatives for those without iPhones, printers etc, but we arrived at 12.15 (drinking elsewhere til then) at Entrance B and were in by 12.18. No Qs, no hassle no problem. Shows it can be done.
 
Is there any reason why there can't be a perimeter ring around the ground that includes turnstiles?

You could probably fit double or even treble entrances that would help people entering and also those who leave City Square 10-15 mins before KO would already be in.

There is a lot of fans who just mingle outside round the catering vans before joining a que to enter the ground.

They have something similar like this at Hamburg SV and it works perfectly.
There was v Everton, no turnstiles,just staff.
Didn’t work out
 
Strangest thing...if you arrive by tram, they now have barriers that force you into the crowd coming up from the gas works...where’s the logic?
They stopped a couple of people yesterday because of the size of their bags in that ‘kettling’ thing at top of the stairs from the tram! It is strange though because why would they need the barriers?
But it’s a very weird system altogether this season.
Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die… ‘Charge of the Light Brigade’ Alfred, Lord Tennyson
 
Strangest thing...if you arrive by tram, they now have barriers that force you into the crowd coming up from the gas works...where’s the logic?

They had that there against Everton in the first match after covid. I understood it then but I have no idea why it was there yesterday. A total joke and bloody irritating. It's getting like a fucking East European dictatorship just going to a match these days. I have complained about it in the latest survey they sent me.
 
We have a ground that is shockingly served by local transport. We have a ground 1 mile from one of the largest cities in the UK. We have a new ticket entry system that demands we get to the ground at some ridiculous fucking hour. We have 90% of those ticket holders thinking “fuck that I’ll stay in the boozer and rock up ten mins before ko” and we have an utterly shit number of turnstiles. It’s an amalgam of many things, some within our ability to change (don’t booze until 2:55) most not. As I walked back into town after the game I looked at the shambolic traffic and the buses crawling into Piccadilly. We’ve been at the etihad for nearly 2 decades. Getting in and getting home have been a perennial issue from day one. Shuttle buses in and out. Hundreds of them. Loads of turnstiles. Park and ride. It’s not fucking rocket science
 
We have a ground that is shockingly served by local transport. We have a ground 1 mile from one of the largest cities in the UK. We have a new ticket entry system that demands we get to the ground at some ridiculous fucking hour. We have 90% of those ticket holders thinking “fuck that I’ll stay in the boozer and rock up ten mins before ko” and we have an utterly shit number of turnstiles. It’s an amalgam of many things, some within our ability to change (don’t booze until 2:55) most not. As I walked back into town after the game I looked at the shambolic traffic and the buses crawling into Piccadilly. We’ve been at the etihad for nearly 2 decades. Getting in and getting home have been a perennial issue from day one. Shuttle buses in and out. Hundreds of them. Loads of turnstiles. Park and ride. It’s not fucking rocket science

The tram system is horrendous. I used to be able to get on a tram at Altrincham and go straight to the game. Now I have to get off at Cornbrook and wait with loads of other people unloaded there, sometimes for 15 minutes, for an already crowded tram to arrive. The tram goes to Piccadilly station anyway, why can't it just carry on to the stadium? All trams that go in that direction should just carry on to the stadium on matchdays.

The 216 bus is just as bad. The traffic is horrendous and against Norwich I got off and walked it was so bad. After the game it is ludicrous. We all wait in one long queue with loads of stewards standing around clueless until one bus is full. Then the door opens on the next bus and we start again. Even in the pouring rain they just fill one bus at a time. The speed, or lack of it, isn't helped by utter fuckwits who still don't know how much it is or have their money ready when they board. Then the other knobheads who won't move from near the door so people can't get past or get upstairs. Once the bus eventually moves hundreds of people walk in the road so it is a snails pace.

We had no games for 18 months and everywhere closed, an ideal time to make some improvements and perhaps give some work to people struggling. Instead we are just as bad as before.
 
On leaving SS3 at full-time (v Norwich I walked into town as I was drinking) on the way back to my car the queue for the tram to Manchester was 'really' small, usually by the time I get round there it's queued up onto JMW but on Saturday there was nothing outside the station itself which was surprising.

Re buses did I hear over the much improved tannoy system that buses to town were free?
 
The tram system is horrendous. I used to be able to get on a tram at Altrincham and go straight to the game. Now I have to get off at Cornbrook and wait with loads of other people unloaded there, sometimes for 15 minutes, for an already crowded tram to arrive. The tram goes to Piccadilly station anyway, why can't it just carry on to the stadium? All trams that go in that direction should just carry on to the stadium on matchdays.

The 216 bus is just as bad. The traffic is horrendous and against Norwich I got off and walked it was so bad. After the game it is ludicrous. We all wait in one long queue with loads of stewards standing around clueless until one bus is full. Then the door opens on the next bus and we start again. Even in the pouring rain they just fill one bus at a time. The speed, or lack of it, isn't helped by utter fuckwits who still don't know how much it is or have their money ready when they board. Then the other knobheads who won't move from near the door so people can't get past or get upstairs. Once the bus eventually moves hundreds of people walk in the road so it is a snails pace.

We had no games for 18 months and everywhere closed, an ideal time to make some improvements and perhaps give some work to people struggling. Instead we are just as bad as before.
In Germany you’d have an endless supply of free trams and buses in and out of the city centre to the stadium. There’d be no other traffic allowed; buses and trams would run from all four points of the compass across the city. We have a system currently where 4 cones are erected to allow one car per hour prevent a whole flow of buses and trams getting into the city centre. The big wigs at City and the council don’t give a fuck; they don’t use the bus or tram. I’d frogmarch them onto the bus or tram after a game and see how they got on. It’s fucking shite. And it doesn’t have to be.
 
In Germany you’d have an endless supply of free trams and buses in and out of the city centre to the stadium. There’d be no other traffic allowed; buses and trams would run from all four points of the compass across the city. We have a system currently where 4 cones are erected to allow one car per hour prevent a whole flow of buses and trams getting into the city centre. The big wigs at City and the council don’t give a fuck; they don’t use the bus or tram. I’d frogmarch them onto the bus or tram after a game and see how they got on. It’s fucking shite. And it doesn’t have to be.

That's it. You're talking about 19 times a year and the cup games. 12-3 then 5-7. Everything else is rerouted or stopped. Signs warning people, e mails sent etcetera. It's a minor inconvenience for others. Just get 50,000+ people in and out as quickly and safely as possible.
 
That's it. You're talking about 19 times a year and the cup games. 12-3 then 5-7. Everything else is rerouted or stopped. Signs warning people, e mails sent etcetera. It's a minor inconvenience for others. Just get 50,000+ people in and out as quickly and safely as possible.
Amen. How difficult would it be?
 
In Germany you’d have an endless supply of free trams and buses in and out of the city centre to the stadium. There’d be no other traffic allowed; buses and trams would run from all four points of the compass across the city. We have a system currently where 4 cones are erected to allow one car per hour prevent a whole flow of buses and trams getting into the city centre. The big wigs at City and the council don’t give a fuck; they don’t use the bus or tram. I’d frogmarch them onto the bus or tram after a game and see how they got on. It’s fucking shite. And it doesn’t have to be.

Not just Germany.

I went to Juventus away a few years back - think it was only a group stage game, Pellegrini’s last season?

Anyway there was a free shuttle bus from the city centre to the ground. Got us there in no time. All very impressive and surprisingly for Italy, efficient and well organised.

Sadly that good will fell apart when you actually got to the match and the Italian coppers stand there with machine guns and you’re treated like terrorists checking into Guantanamo Bay, but that’s for another thread.
 
I'm still trying to work out what's wrong with the season cards we use to have worked perfectly well, how farting about with your phones supposed to be an improvement i've no idea.
They said it was to combat ticket touting, but this new system makes it easier. It's not implemented properly in my opinion.
 
In Germany you’d have an endless supply of free trams and buses in and out of the city centre to the stadium. There’d be no other traffic allowed; buses and trams would run from all four points of the compass across the city. We have a system currently where 4 cones are erected to allow one car per hour prevent a whole flow of buses and trams getting into the city centre. The big wigs at City and the council don’t give a fuck; they don’t use the bus or tram. I’d frogmarch them onto the bus or tram after a game and see how they got on. It’s fucking shite. And it doesn’t have to be.
Spot on mate.

All the problems you see at City boil down to the fact that the people who make decisions at the club never observe or experience the problems, and there aren’t enough lines of communication (there’s pretty much none!) between the fans who do and those people who make decisions.

All roads between the Etihad and Manchester city centre should be closed to all cars on a matchday, both before and after the game. And there should be free buses that shuttle fans to and from the Etihad and the city centre.

The club could get into a deal with Manchester City Council, outlay for a few dozen buses, and keep them at the back of the car park when not in use (or provide them as school buses through the week or something). As you’ve said, it is almost an essential part of a matchday in Germany. German clubs seem to constantly have their fans in mind. We could do with our boardroom going and meeting with some of the German boardrooms and getting them to understand what they do for their fans.

Even at the SL Grand Final at Old Trafford (that I try and go to every year) you get free Metrolink travel with your match ticket.

The issue with the queues at City has been going on since the scanners came in. I didn’t get into one of the greatest games ever at the Etihad (Monaco) until 10 mins into the game four or so years ago. So it’s been going in for a good while. And the new phone ticketing system will never make it quicker because that’s not what the problem is.

People should be scanned and have bags checked further away from the stadium rather than at the turnstiles. There should be a perimeter fence where you have all this done well before you get near the turnstiles. Then people can mingle around City Sq and the food kiosks, go and look around the club shop or have a look at the Kompany and Silva statues and not have to worry about getting in a snails-pace queue to be scanned before entering the ground.

Didn’t we actually do this for the Celtic game a few years back?
 

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