race the real issue in the US election.

[johnmc]

Are country and Western Races??

Dont really see the MOBO's as being racist though - you dont have to be of a certain colour to win an award

 

[BingoBango]

[quote="LEE BRADBURY?[/quote]
black police federation,we have no white police federation

blatantly racist[/quote]

No white police federation? What about the Metropolitan Police Federation? That's practically one.

 

[Bigga]

Same as the MOBOS and black police federation, it CREATES division not the opposite....

it is also racist

black police federation,we have no white police federation

blatantly racist

Ok, I'm going to have to pick up on this point. I don't have much fondness the police as I don't have much appeal for the way they run as an internal body. However, I will say that when a race of ANY denomination finds its progress blocked and there is NO SUPPORT NETWORK designed for the lesser percentage denomination, they are going to have to provide that themselves. If every colleague was treated fairly and promoted duly for whatever work they've done and not bullied or held down for their differences, not always of their own making, there would be NO NEED for seperate federations/ unions of any kind.

You have to walk in the accused shoes before basing a judgement on why federations are formed. Destruction of the 'old boys' network starts from the top. And, if not, then officers should finally unite and do the right thing by their 'brothers/ sisters in uniform'.

But, it doesn't happen that way. Idealogies are all that's left, when reality takes hold.

 

[BingoBango]

Ok, I'm going to have to pick up on this point. I don't have much fondness the police as I don't have much appeal for the way they run as an internal body. However, I will say that when a race of ANY denomination finds its progress blocked and there is NO SUPPORT NETWORK designed for the lesser percentage denomination, they are going to have to provide that themselves. If every colleague was treated fairly and promoted duly for whatever work they've done and not bullied or held down for their differences, not always of their own making, there would be NO NEED for seperate federations/ unions of any kind.

You have to walk in the accused shoes before basing a judgement on why federations are formed. Destruction of the 'old boys' network starts from the top. And, if not, then officers should finally unite and do the right thing by their 'brothers/ sisters in uniform'.

But, it doesn't happen that way. Idealogies are all that's left, when reality takes hold.

Exactly, it's not about 'division', it's about supporting each other in the face of an organisation which traditionally (though it's changing) hasn't given a flying one. Which is why there are federations for black, Muslim, Jewish, gay, Irish and female police officers.

 

[Matty]

Matty………………………why because i refuse to bite on your silly country and western comparison?

Country and Western music is based in white history, it's written by white people, performed by white people and listened to by white people. The MOBOs might actually be CALLED Music Of Black Origin, but Country and Western is Music Of White Origin without the official name. There's no difference. Has there ever been a black nominee for a country and western award? Doubtful. Amy Winehouse actually won a MOBO in 2007.

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

matty..............It was obvious what the poster was referring to which is organisations that are set up for ethnic minorities, which are blatantly racist.

There are many of these organisations that exist in our supposedly diverse multicultural country, the irony is as the poster rightly points out they breed resentment which in turn breeds racism.

In this day and age in the united kingdom any organisation that uses skin colour or ethnicity to promote itself should be banned, no problems with calling the MOBOS the music of afro Caribbean orientation awards or similar, the BLACK inclusion was specifically incorporated in to the name so as not to include whites, the same with the BLACK police federation which has dangerously become a law in to itself, it would not look out of place in South Africa during apartheid.

It is time all organisations aimed at any specific minority or skin colour were banned, there are no benefits to anybody, we are all British there should be no exclusive clubs or organisations.

Hopefully these elections in the USA will change attitudes across the world,

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

Matty………………………why because i refuse to bite on your silly country and western comparison?

Country and Western music is based in white history, it's written by white people, performed by white people and listened to by white people. The MOBOs might actually be CALLED Music Of Black Origin, but Country and Western is Music Of White Origin without the official name. There's no difference. Has there ever been a black nominee for a country and western award? Doubtful. Amy Winehouse actually won a MOBO in 2007.

it is not called white music though is it ?

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

Bingobango………………that is a ridiculous statement, your saying the metropolitan police is a white organisation.

The police have been the leaders in race relations for years now since the Macpherson report findings

 

[alabaster]

So many people think "Negro" is racist. People use every other word under the sun before they use the proper term. One that gets me is "coloured". Wtf? everyone is "coloured"...

But is 'negro' the correct term? The word 'negro' literally means black, but historically it was only used to refer to people from sub-saharan Africa. What about black people from other countries? It's incorrect to refer to them as 'negros'. Also, it was used during times of slavery and racial segregation in the US and has fallen out of usage due to its associations with this time-period.

Other words referring to race come and go. Hardly anyone in the UK says 'coloured' anymore for precisely the reasons you stated. In the US, however, it is considered more acceptable.

Language is changing all the time for various reasons, not just because of 'political correctness'.

 

[Matty]

Matty………………………why because i refuse to bite on your silly country and western comparison?

Country and Western music is based in white history, it's written by white people, performed by white people and listened to by white people. The MOBOs might actually be CALLED Music Of Black Origin, but Country and Western is Music Of White Origin without the official name. There's no difference. Has there ever been a black nominee for a country and western award? Doubtful. Amy Winehouse actually won a MOBO in 2007.

it is not called white music though is it ?

Which some might say was an attempt to HIDE it's racist nature. Country music is far more excluding of black artists than music genres that originated from black roots, such as rap or blues.

 

[BingoBango]

Bingobango………………that is a ridiculous statement, your saying the metropolitan police is a white organisation.

The police have been the leaders in race relations for years now since the Macpherson report findings

No I didn't, I'm saying the Metropolitan Police Federation, not the Met itself, has been practically a white, male officers association in the past, which caused the formation of federations for black/Muslim/Jewish/female/Irish officers, since those folk didn't see anywhere else to go or anyone to represent them.

The Federation has indeed changed dramatically after the MacPherson Report, though some attitudes die hard. Please read more carefully in future.

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

Bingobango………………that is a ridiculous statement, your saying the metropolitan police is a white organisation.

The police have been the leaders in race relations for years now since the Macpherson report findings

No I didn't, I'm saying the Metropolitan Police Federation, not the Met itself, has been practically a white, male officers association in the past, which caused the formation of federations for black/Muslim/Jewish/female/Irish officers, since those folk didn't see anywhere else to go or anyone to represent them.

The Federation has indeed changed dramatically after the MacPherson Report, though some attitudes die hard. Please read more carefully in future.

Maybe if you had been a bit more specific there would be no room for error.

So maybe you should explain yourself a bit better in future .

 

[BingoBango]

Bingobango………………that is a ridiculous statement, your saying the metropolitan police is a white organisation.

The police have been the leaders in race relations for years now since the Macpherson report findings

No I didn't, I'm saying the Metropolitan Police Federation, not the Met itself, has been practically a white, male officers association in the past, which caused the formation of federations for black/Muslim/Jewish/female/Irish officers, since those folk didn't see anywhere else to go or anyone to represent them.

The Federation has indeed changed dramatically after the MacPherson Report, though some attitudes die hard. Please read more carefully in future.

Maybe if you had been a bit more specific there would be no room for error.

So maybe you should explain yourself a bit better in future .

My origanal quote: No white police federation? What about the Metropolitan Police Federation? That's practically one

There's nothing there to confuse you: if I'd said 'the Metropolitan Police were a white organisation', you would have a point, but I referred explicitly to the Metroplitan Police Federation. Given the context of the discussion about the Black Police Officers Federation etc, it should have been even more obvious.

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

bingobango................People like you are the problem in this country; you breed racial hatred, what would you do, god forbid if blacks and whites became as one in this country.

I bet you would have kittens

 

[BingoBango]

bingobango................People like you are the problem in this country; you breed racial hatred, what would you do, god forbid if blacks and whites became as one in this country.

I bet you would have kittens

Get a grip.

As you can see from what I've just said, I'm glad the police are changing (and in many respects have changed). I would love it if there weren't separate police federations, but the real question is why those particular groups feel the need to organise themselves separately? There is nothing I want more than people to get along, but digging your head in the sand doesn't help anyone, and insisting that everyone must be the same, ironically, creates even more division.

'Breeding racial hatred', what a moronic thing to say. And I'm not the on jumping to conclusions without reading anyone's posts properly.

 

[Matty]

bingobango................People like you are the problem in this country; you breed racial hatred, what would you do, god forbid if blacks and whites became as one in this country.

I bet you would have kittens

Yep, nice fluffy white kittens.

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

bingobango................People like you are the problem in this country; you breed racial hatred, what would you do, god forbid if blacks and whites became as one in this country.

I bet you would have kittens

Get a grip.

As you can see from what I've just said, I'm glad the police are changing (and in many respects have changed). I would love it if there weren't separate police federations, but the real question is why those particular groups feel the need to organise themselves separately?

'Breeding racial hatred', what a moronic thing to say. And i'm not the on jumping to conclusions without reading anyone's posts properly.

Hit a nerve ?,,times are changing people are waking up to you sort of people, you pretend to have the best intentions of minority groups at heart, but you keep telling them they are different, you see discrimination where there is none it suites your agenda.

You’re the kind of person who sits in a town hall, probably white who bans white and black Christian children from having a nativity play at Christmas, then says it is so as not offend Muslims, knowing damn well it causes resentment.

I Have never met a single muslim who has ever complained about any Christian traditions.

Yet we have town halls full of white left wingers, people like you, banning all sorts of stuff in the name of race relations.

 

[BingoBango]

bingobango................People like you are the problem in this country; you breed racial hatred, what would you do, god forbid if blacks and whites became as one in this country.

I bet you would have kittens

Get a grip.

As you can see from what I've just said, I'm glad the police are changing (and in many respects have changed). I would love it if there weren't separate police federations, but the real question is why those particular groups feel the need to organise themselves separately?

'Breeding racial hatred', what a moronic thing to say. And i'm not the on jumping to conclusions without reading anyone's posts properly.

Hit a nerve ?,,times are changing people are waking up to you sort of people, you pretend to have the best intentions of minority groups at heart, but you keep telling them they are different, you see discrimination where there is none it suites your agenda.

You’re the kind of person who sits in a town hall, probably white who bans white and black Christian children from having a nativity play at Christmas, then says it is so as not offend Muslims, knowing damn well it causes resentment.

I Have never met a single muslim who has ever complained about any Christian traditions.

Yet we have town halls full of white left wingers, people like you, banning all sorts of stuff in the name of race relations.

No, you've not hit a nerve at all, and there certainly isn't any agenda. I don't see anyone as different - when walking down the street I don't see a 'black' face or a 'white' face. I see people.

Again, if you'd read my last post, it's not about what I think in the slightest, it's why those particular groups think they have to regard themselves as different. Again, I repeat, to me they're just people.

For the record, nor have I met a Muslim who's ever complained about Christmas or other traditions. That kind of stuff (rare as it is) is dreamt up by the occasional idiot with too much time on their hands.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

bingobango................People like you are the problem in this country; you breed racial hatred, what would you do, god forbid if blacks and whites became as one in this country.

I bet you would have kittens

Get a grip.

As you can see from what I've just said, I'm glad the police are changing (and in many respects have changed). I would love it if there weren't separate police federations, but the real question is why those particular groups feel the need to organise themselves separately?

'Breeding racial hatred', what a moronic thing to say. And i'm not the on jumping to conclusions without reading anyone's posts properly.

Hit a nerve ?,,times are changing people are waking up to you sort of people, you pretend to have the best intentions of minority groups at heart, but you keep telling them they are different, you see discrimination where there is none it suites your agenda.

You’re the kind of person who sits in a town hall, probably white who bans white and black Christian children from having a nativity play at Christmas, then says it is so as not offend Muslims, knowing damn well it causes resentment.

I Have never met a single muslim who has ever complained about any Christian traditions.

Yet we have town halls full of white left wingers, people like you, banning all sorts of stuff in the name of race relations.

This is so true. on our regional news the other night Oxford City Council announced a "Winter Festival" of lights (ore something like that) instead of Christmas lights. they interviewed loads of people inc the local Immam and they all thought it was bollocks. the TV station was bombarded with protests demanding it be changed yet the council has just ignored it. Interfering PC pricks

 

[Bigga]

Amusingly, Bingobango and Lee Bradbury, you seem to be arguing for the same cause, but on different sides of the coin!