Radio 4, Anna Connell & our roots

Got as far as 'manchester's other football club..city not united'

Patronising posh woman with her stupid bbc lets all pretend to speak like the royal family. Fook right off.

The history is of course immensely interesting but I'm not listening to that rag or her stupid poncey accent.
 
Balti said:
Got as far as 'manchester's other football club..city not united'

Patronising posh woman with her stupid bbc lets all pretend to speak like the royal family. Fook right off.

The history is of course immensely interesting but I'm not listening to that rag or her stupid poncey accent.
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Jenny Murray only introduced the programme Balti - 40 seconds at most!
 
Thanks Gary James and Bluemanc. I've found this thread very educative and I'm sure many other blues will feel the same.

With the 'my first game' thing they have in the stadium, there should also be a piece about our founding period.

Ric should also put some of this material on the homepage.

With so much emphasis on who our next signing might be, it's always important to remember where we came from in order to retain our identity as MANCHESTER City.
 
When I did the research for the Birth of the Blues, the earliest reported matches which I could trace showed that St. Mark's Cricket Club was playing matches in 1875. I have been through other early papers which are now available and which contain the results of cricket matches. I have traced the result of a match played by St. Mark's Cricket Club in 1868. Furthermore, I have the results of several matches played in 1869, which show that by then St. Mark's Cricket Club also had a second team. On the evidence now available, our roots go back to 1868. St. Mark's Church was consecrated on 30th November 1865, so within 2 years or so, the Church had formed a cricket club.
 
ph2v said:
When I did the research for the Birth of the Blues, the earliest reported matches which I could trace showed that St. Mark's Cricket Club was playing matches in 1875. I have been through other early papers which are now available and which contain the results of cricket matches. I have traced the result of a match played by St. Mark's Cricket Club in 1868. Furthermore, I have the results of several matches played in 1869, which show that by then St. Mark's Cricket Club also had a second team. On the evidence now available, our roots go back to 1868. St. Mark's Church was consecrated on 30th November 1865, so within 2 years or so, the Church had formed a cricket club.
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Do any of the names on the cricket team match the names of players that later played on the football team ?
 
St. Mark's Football Club was formed by William Henry Beastow and the junior members of the St. Mark's Cricket Club as a section of the cricket club. Most of the junior cricketers played in the 1879 junior team and their names are recorded. However, Manchester and the surrounding areas was a rugby stronghold and it is highly unlikely that any of the junior cricketers of 1879 would have known anything at that time about association football. It needed someone who had played the game and knew the rules. In 1880, William Sumner an engineering student (aged 19) came to West Gorton and in the summer of 1880 he played for St. Mark's Cricket Club. He taught association football to the junior crickters. He was an outstanding player and was the captain of the football team. The following 9 junior cricketers of 1879 played in the first football match against Macclesfield Baptists on13th November 1880:Walter Chew;Frederick Hopkinson;Edward Kitchen; Charles Beastow; John Beastow; James Collinge; Henry Heggs; Richard Hopkinson;Alexander McDonald . The team had 12 players & 2 other cricketers, William Sumner & William Downing played as well as John Pilkington-I cannot trace J.P. in any cricket team.
 
ph2v said:
St. Mark's Football Club was formed by William Henry Beastow and the junior members of the St. Mark's Cricket Club as a section of the cricket club. Most of the junior cricketers played in the 1879 junior team and their names are recorded. However, Manchester and the surrounding areas was a rugby stronghold and it is highly unlikely that any of the junior cricketers of 1879 would have known anything at that time about association football. It needed someone who had played the game and knew the rules. In 1880, William Sumner an engineering student (aged 19) came to West Gorton and in the summer of 1880 he played for St. Mark's Cricket Club. He taught association football to the junior crickters. He was an outstanding player and was the captain of the football team. The following 9 junior cricketers of 1879 played in the first football match against Macclesfield Baptists on13th November 1880:Walter Chew;Frederick Hopkinson;Edward Kitchen; Charles Beastow; John Beastow; James Collinge; Henry Heggs; Richard Hopkinson;Alexander McDonald . The team had 12 players & 2 other cricketers, William Sumner & William Downing played as well as John Pilkington-I cannot trace J.P. in any cricket team.
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All City fans should take a look at Paul's book "Birth of the Blues" because he has included in there reports of all the Club's earliest games (the majority of which had never been published) and he found material that some of us had missed.

Like me, Paul strives to go to first hand accounts and search for contemporary factual information. He doesn't simply repeat the established facts (or myths) and I was delighted to write the foreword to his first book because I recognised that his research was meticulous.

His research on the St. Mark's CC has, without doubt, improved our knowledge of City's actual birth and has, hopefully, finally put the Anna Connell myth to bed. The Connells are very important in City's very early history, but Anna was not the 'founder'.

Personally, I like to think that the Club did not have a 'founder' and that it was a combined effort by a number of individuals. In the new year I'll hopefully be able to explain a bit more (watch this space).
 
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