Rags owe us £3.3billion (probably)

[yaba daba BLUUUUUE]

For personal reasons, I wasn't interested in football for the longest time, and so didn't pay a lot of attention. And I'm still not really interested in hating United, as much as I am in enjoying Manchester city, BUT, I really do hate Ferguson and Manchester United for their treatment of Manchester City when they were at their lowest.

When we were at our absolute lowest, we had a Manchester United winger or loan. He really helped the team buck up. Manchester United wanted him back, unless we bought him. Ferguson one time in the paper wen't about how central this winger was to Manchester United's plans, and they screwed us for every penny they could. [3.5 million I think.]

Compare and contrast Our treatment of them when they were at their lowest.

 

[bluemanc]

You'll enjoy this Shankly interview explaining the state of the rags during that period. And how they were rescued by a blue!!!
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqbKBl22CA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqbKBl22CA</a>

True - and another reason why the transformation in those post war years occurred. City fans loved Busby and genuinely wanted him to succeed at the then poor-relations. That's one of the reasons why fans went to watch both sides.

Bang on that Gary,my Dad told me the Red/Blues that's what he said they were called used to go us one week then the rags the next but a lot decided to stick with Busby.........not utd,Busby.
My Dads views on Busby changed as did a lot of his mates,he turned out to be a sly devious fucker that although it can't be proved beyond doubt wasn't as close to us as we thought.
The part fiction film they did on Munich touched on the real Busby & led to a lot of people removing their names off the credits.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

As the site says the story is one I reported in "Manchester A Football History" (and to some extent first reported in "Farewell To Maine Road"), so it's worth me adding a bit more.

In my discussion with a former City director he first made the suggestion it wasn't paid, however in my research of Utd's history it is clear that everyone connected with the Reds believe it was.

The finances of Utd suggest it was paid, so if City's accounts suggest it wasn't then one of the 2 records is incorrect.

My assumption was - and remains - that it was paid in full.

The point of my piece in "Manchester A Football History" was to explain how Utd benefitted more from using Maine Rd than City did (many people claim City milked Utd for profit at this time - that's not true).

It's not really about whether they paid or not (and I do believe they paid as my chapter goes on to consider the other stuff). It's more about who benefitted most - and that was absolutely United not City.

I'm pleased that there is interest in all of this sort of thing and - obviously this might sound like a plug - if you really want to grasp the relationships between City & United (plus the other clubs) then you will benefit a lot by reading "Manchester - A Football History."

Borrow it from a library, download the kindle sections on Amazon, borrow a friend's copy - it will be worth it. There's some on special offer at ebay at the moment.

Gary, A quick question considering the feeling in the after the war and the fact that this was War Damage, did City give any consideration to telling the rags to get lost???

 

[Balti]

You'll enjoy this Shankly interview explaining the state of the rags during that period. And how they were rescued by a blue!!!
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqbKBl22CA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmqbKBl22CA</a>

True - and another reason why the transformation in those post war years occurred. City fans loved Busby and genuinely wanted him to succeed at the then poor-relations. That's one of the reasons why fans went to watch both sides.

Bang on that Gary,my Dad told me the Red/Blues that's what he said they were called used to go us one week then the rags the next but a lot decided to stick with Busby.........not utd,Busby.
My Dads views on Busby changed as did a lot of his mates,he turned out to be a sly devious fucker that although it can't be proved beyond doubt wasn't as close to us as we thought.
The part fiction film they did on Munich touched on the real Busby & led to a lot of people removing their names off the credits.

I'm glad that when i was teenager I painted MCFC OK on the front of his front garden wall in Chorlton in that case ;-)

 

[Dribble]

True - and another reason why the transformation in those post war years occurred. City fans loved Busby and genuinely wanted him to succeed at the then poor-relations. That's one of the reasons why fans went to watch both sides.

Bang on that Gary,my Dad told me the Red/Blues that's what he said they were called used to go us one week then the rags the next but a lot decided to stick with Busby.........not utd,Busby.
My Dads views on Busby changed as did a lot of his mates,he turned out to be a sly devious fucker that although it can't be proved beyond doubt wasn't as close to us as we thought.
The part fiction film they did on Munich touched on the real Busby & led to a lot of people removing their names off the credits.

I'm glad that when i was teenager I painted MCFC OK on the front of his front garden wall in Chorlton in that case ;-)

Oh was that you!!!! **LOL** Ha ha ha!! :-)

 

[MADCHESTER CITY]

Anyone here a lawyer? Do you reckon City have a case??

 

[Dribble]

Anyone here a lawyer? Do you reckon City have a case??

Our owners are unlikely to be arsed touching this, but what's to stop us fans forming a legal class action against them?

 

[Gary James]

As the site says the story is one I reported in "Manchester A Football History" (and to some extent first reported in "Farewell To Maine Road"), so it's worth me adding a bit more.

In my discussion with a former City director he first made the suggestion it wasn't paid, however in my research of Utd's history it is clear that everyone connected with the Reds believe it was.

The finances of Utd suggest it was paid, so if City's accounts suggest it wasn't then one of the 2 records is incorrect.

My assumption was - and remains - that it was paid in full.

The point of my piece in "Manchester A Football History" was to explain how Utd benefitted more from using Maine Rd than City did (many people claim City milked Utd for profit at this time - that's not true).

It's not really about whether they paid or not (and I do believe they paid as my chapter goes on to consider the other stuff). It's more about who benefitted most - and that was absolutely United not City.

I'm pleased that there is interest in all of this sort of thing and - obviously this might sound like a plug - if you really want to grasp the relationships between City & United (plus the other clubs) then you will benefit a lot by reading "Manchester - A Football History."

Borrow it from a library, download the kindle sections on Amazon, borrow a friend's copy - it will be worth it. There's some on special offer at ebay at the moment.

Gary, A quick question considering the feeling in the after the war and the fact that this was War Damage, did City give any consideration to telling the rags to get lost???

I'm convinced City made the offer rather than Utd asking. At that time Utd could have gone to a variety of venues that would have held sufficient fans - White City, Belle Vue, the various rugby and football grounds.... It's all part of the story.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm not a lawyer but from my limited understanding of the law, City have no case I'm afraid.

The Limitation Act 1980 places a limit of 6 years to pursue a debt under a contract (as this would doubtless fall) from the date of any breach i.e when the debt became due.

This Act was introduced to provide for any such eventualities and to provide certainty for business that there was a line in the sand drawn after a certain period had elapsed.

Sorry guys.

 

[Ric]

As the site says the story is one I reported in "Manchester A Football History" (and to some extent first reported in "Farewell To Maine Road"), so it's worth me adding a bit more.

In my discussion with a former City director he first made the suggestion it wasn't paid, however in my research of Utd's history it is clear that everyone connected with the Reds believe it was.

The finances of Utd suggest it was paid, so if City's accounts suggest it wasn't then one of the 2 records is incorrect.

My assumption was - and remains - that it was paid in full.

The point of my piece in "Manchester A Football History" was to explain how Utd benefitted more from using Maine Rd than City did (many people claim City milked Utd for profit at this time - that's not true).

It's not really about whether they paid or not (and I do believe they paid as my chapter goes on to consider the other stuff). It's more about who benefitted most - and that was absolutely United not City.

I'm pleased that there is interest in all of this sort of thing and - obviously this might sound like a plug - if you really want to grasp the relationships between City & United (plus the other clubs) then you will benefit a lot by reading "Manchester - A Football History."

Borrow it from a library, download the kindle sections on Amazon, borrow a friend's copy - it will be worth it. There's some on special offer at ebay at the moment.

Interesting stuff, and I didn't see it as a plug. But this is!

You can, ahem, buy a copy of Manchester - A Football History here, with Bluemoon getting a referral fee.